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HERE KASHLION, quote: This could doesn't care about the reguler people, they don't care about those people's children. All they care about is independence, but the thing is, if there willingness is to strike at defenseless children then calling them "terrorists" isn't enough, more like murderous f**king BASTARDS yeah, thats right, YOU used the word too, so by your logic, you should ALSO be banned. quote: YOU'RE the one who used the foul language, which was UNCALLED FOR Under normal circomstance's I'd probably support you in releaving Jag of his position, but since you responded with violance and words (F word) I support that you be banned from this board You got 4 fingers pointing at yourself...NOW who is the IDIOT?? http://www.3000ad.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?u...0201;p=1#000023 quote:Agree'd, but in a case like this. I say Jaguar made a good call Think about this, Jag didn't use any foul language, Street did. That should very well speak for itself on who is at fault (language wise) I do not care if YOUR logic is so twisted, you have to kiss up to jaquar, or not. I do care, you feel YOU and JAG, feel your above the GENERAL RULES, everyone else within the community must adhere. quote:there ARE people here who are Religious and take offense to those words being used Maybe ...YOU should think about that too!!!

HERE KASHLION, quote: This could doesn't care about the reguler people, they don't care about those people's children. All they care about is independence, but the thing is, if there willingness is to strike at defenseless children then calling them "terrorists" isn't enough, more like murderous f**king BASTARDS yeah, thats right, YOU used the word too, so by your logic, you should ALSO be banned. quote: YOU'RE the one who used the foul language, which was UNCALLED FOR Under normal circomstance's I'd probably support you in releaving Jag of his position, but since you responded with violance and words (F word) I support that you be banned from this board You got 4 fingers pointing at yourself...NOW who is the IDIOT?? http://www.3000ad.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?u...0201;p=1#000023 quote:Agree'd, but in a case like this. I say Jaguar made a good call Think about this, Jag didn't use any foul language, Street did. That should very well speak for itself on who is at fault (language wise) I do not care if YOUR logic is so twisted, you have to kiss up to jaquar, or not. I do care, you feel YOU and JAG, feel your above the GENERAL RULES, everyone else within the community must adhere. quote:there ARE people here who are Religious and take offense to those words being used Maybe ...YOU should think about that too!!!

quote:Damn, I just wish that one of this days you would actually get into a situation where there's bullets flying and see the savageness of someone who's eyes are glazed over and foam flying from the mouth while he's yelling something uncomprehensible at you, Reason with that you.......... Soback, you and your coherts, who KEEP flaming me, for my objective rationalism, is getting rather tiresome. For your information, I am a 45 year old man, who spent SIX (USNAVY SEAL)years of my life fighting for the USA, in ALL it's CORRUPTNESS, in order to protect YOUR "PERCIEVED" freedoms. I lost my wife, in KEWAIT, during the FIRST GULF WAR. I held the brains of my C.O., in my hands, and watched his eyes glaze over, while chewing chunks of flesh off his toungue..... I saw enough DEATH, and miraculously survived...to fill 100 men to sickness, just thinking about WAR....shall I go on? I AM an honorably discharched VET, who saw ACTION, before "OPERATION DESERT STORM", and AFTER!! I've cut the throats of men, whom I now RESPECT.. for their courage, and sacrifice made, for what THEY believed. Even though..... they were my enemy, and the enemy of MY country. In WAR, we are ALL pawns, In DEATH, you stand alone. NOBODY WINS!!...period. If that is CLUELESS...then MORE of you should adopt such a state of intellect...It would be an improvement!! WHO are the ones who are " CLUELESS"?

quote:When Chechens weren't as radicalized like today, the russians, in their greed, KILLED the general Dudayev, despite the fact that he was willing to strike an agreement providing a limited autonomy for Chechnia. Then they refused the calls for negociations from Maskhadov. What did the russians achieve ? That Maskhadov lost almost all his credibility, and the russians, instead of facing an association of chechen rebel factions under a centralized command, are now battling a network of loose terrorist groups related to Basayev. This is the shining example of exactly what should not be done. And this is EXACTLY what the U.S. has done, in relation to the al qaeda. This is, but one reason why the Bush administration's, activity within Iraq, was one of the worst bungles in history. The condition created in iraq, merely provided the various factions a unification in purpose, and principle...thus the DANGER, toward the SUPER POWER was increased, rather than diminished. Radical factions, serving beneath some form of centralized command, can be negotiated with. Scattered factions with NO centralized command, are more obscure, and irradic in behavior; thus vertually impossible, to irradicate. Kalshion, I know you think I put my 2 cents in, as a response to you..but sadly, the world does not revolve around your opinions, and ignoring my, "so called", rubbish, is your perogative. I put my views in, just as anyone else. They are not posted, for the pure matter of debate, and are NOT subjective to YOUR opinion alone. As far as the "RIGHT" path goes. That is a matter of perspective, of those playing the game. I personally base, what is "RIGHT", by that which is Moral, and that which would adhere to MORAL principle; however, That which will be done, will be done, based on POLITICAL manipulation. What will be considered "RIGHT", will be considered such, based on propaghanda and manipulation dictated by the RUSSIAN Government. (wishing Kalshion, would move past the GRUDGE match mentality)

Giving the past history (as nomad has pointed out) Russia, cannot be negotiated with or trusted, either.(America, now demonstrating like attributes) This, being from a dishonorable position taken in the past, by the Russian Government.( Attacking while staging a FALSE negotiation); thus there is NO other recourse, for a people, than to BECOME the TERRORIST, everyone fears. The real problem here, is that the SUPER power status, of Government, will accept NO deviation of course, regardless of opposition. The opposition, is viewed as "HAVING NO RIGHT TO EXISTANCE". If you practice the ideology, that there is NO room for negotiation with your enemy, for an extended number of years, then your enemy DEVELOPES, into an entity which will accept DEATH, in order to reinforce, it's "RIGHT TO EXIST" , position. To go out of your way, to ESTABLISH TRUST, with such an enemy, would mean to ELIMINATE, the "ZERO TOLORANCE" mentality and refusal to FAIRLY negotiate terms. Once, your enemy can TRUST you enough, to open legitamate negotiation(lacking a blind-sided attack from those negotiating) and DEMONSTRATE that position, to such a group..REGARDLESS, of success or failure of the immediate crises...ONLY then, can such an enemy begin to realize, its RIGHT to exist is acknowledged, and the suicide form of battle, be diminished. After all, it took many years of the "ZERO TOLORANCE" mentality, to nurse, such a faction into existance...in the first place.

I have no problem, in stopping. I do find it hard, to ignore the personal attacks, But I am willing to do so. I would hope... Regardless, this would be mutually beneficial for everyone involved. http://www.3000ad.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?u...0142;p=1#000021 and yes, I jumped back, and did what I really had said, I would not do...: Letting my opinion loose, on the board. ooops, I will refrain. what u say Jag? We dont have to LIKE each other, to co-exist within this forum! I know, last time I ask this, you said you were having FUN, but it is getting a little tiresome, at least for me.

FUN!!...is'nt it?

quote:Ok, the Russians are not exactly nice people ill give you that. But don't you think that terrorists specifically targeting a school full of children and threatening to kill them is a little low even for terrorists? Also, what else can Russia do in a hostage situation like that other than storm the building? UH...Negotiate....UH.....Diplomatic Solution, to attempt to end hostility between factions?......yep, Russia, is NO more a credible faction, than the SO CALLED terrorist. Interpretation of RIGHTFUL existance, is essential, to appriciate an EQUAL insight into ANY conflict, between opposing factions. If One faction determines, the other has NO right to exist, then negotiation, and Diplomacy, are NOT offered. This should reveal, who the REAL TERRORIST are, to ANY learned individual.

did anyone really EXPECT, our ally..(RUSSIA), would be exempt, from people fighting for independence? or even from the so called "TERRORIST"? but, seriously....I believe, this has been going on awhile. Did you read, how they killed those, who took over the theater?....The gas Russia used on them, killed their hostages, as well.(Russia demonstrated the same concern, over their citizens, as the United states showed over those children in WACO) It's getting harder and harder to tell the mind set of the socialist/COMMUNIST governments, from our good ole U.S. of A.'s mind set. Remember: quote: (quote, from the WRITINGS of SUN) It is ONLY the weak minded, who do not question the actions of their government, with a hyper-criticism; if only to assure, a balance is maintained, and the population get TRUE protection from such a government. Just my opinion.

well, Jag, you apparantly, have a NEED, to turn this thread into a personal street attack, so what the hell...... quote:What's your point? No point, really...Keep showing what a Jerk you are!

quote:Poor Street, still thinking that somehow the constitution has disapeared and Bush is some sort of dictator. Geez, get some help man. Let me make this VERY clear for you, Jaquar. Your Interpretation, as to what I think, is fatally flawed..just as your self perception, that your some intellectually superior guru. Your not SMART, as you percieve yourself, but merely: " A Smart ASS" Get a life, you F**K'n Jerk!!

quote:Jag I agree with your assessment of the piece that was written. However I take offense of your name calling and think that as a moderator you have a responsibility to be a role model, one which in this case you ignored. It is SO tiresome to have to read in here daily one's personal beleifs ridiculed, marginalized and spoken about with such contempt. I find it difficult to beleive someone of your intelligence can have so little respect for the beliefs of others. You are a better man than that, and that idiot remark is beneath you. No, race, Jag is NOT a better man than that....His demonstration, and willingness to FLAME. someone who takes things in a balanced and rational perspective, has PROVEN, time and time again...He is arrogant, and pompus. His views, are as FAR to the EXTREME right, as he would like to claim, my views are to the extreme left(which is NOT the case). Agree with Jaquar, or he will call you something akin to " RETARDED IDIOT" Now, this whole situation, should speak for itself, as to WHO the IDIOT really is...don't you think? And Jaquar, MY opinions of YOU and YOUR mentality, will NOT be put on these boards; however, I think you should know...: " A chimpanzee's character, and reasoning abilities, are running a close second"

quote:Jag I agree with your assessment of the piece that was written. However I take offense of your name calling and think that as a moderator you have a responsibility to be a role model, one which in this case you ignored. It is SO tiresome to have to read in here daily one's personal beleifs ridiculed, marginalized and spoken about with such contempt. I find it difficult to beleive someone of your intelligence can have so little respect for the beliefs of others. You are a better man than that, and that idiot remark is beneath you. No, race, Jag is NOT a better man than that....His demonstration, and willingness to FLAME. someone who takes things in a balanced and rational perspective, has PROVEN, time and time again...He is arrogant, and pompus. His views, are as FAR to the EXTREME right, as he would like to claim, my views are to the extreme left(which is NOT the case). Agree with Jaquar, or he will call you something akin to " RETARDED IDIOT" Now, this whole situation, should speak for itself, as to WHO the IDIOT really is...don't you think? And Jaquar, MY opinions of YOU and YOUR mentality, will NOT be put on these boards; however, I think you should know...: " A chimpanzee's character, and reasoning abilities, are running a close second"

quote:Bah, non-lethal tech is worthless, if a croud of protesters gets violent, just mow them down I say. Yeah, COMMUNIST RED CHINA, tends to agree with your solution....as DID the American National Guard, at Kent State University!.... I prefer, more RATIONAL solutions, by people, who LIKE the AMERICAN WAY! Just my humble opinion

I am GLAD, some of those, "checks and balances" are working!!

quote: You poor disillusioned people. lol, Still standing in front of the mirror, talking to one's self?

my DSL being installed at home, on the 7th of Sept.....I can't wait

quote:OH, and street... I'm half Irish. *DUN DUN DUN!!!!* Explains much doesn't it? me too!!!

quote:Rep. Ed Schrock, one of the most conservative members of the House of Representatives, unexpectedly dropped his bid for a third term Monday amid unverified allegations that he called a gay phone sex line. I just LOVE these hypocritical Bastards!!..LOL quote: I watched his whole stint last night and I do hope Giuliani runs for president in the near future I wish Giuliani was running INSTEAD of that idiot: "bush"!!

quote: Hell no! I say we elect Alice Cooper for President! I dont know, he might be, just as jealous, as bush is, of Kerry's WAR MEDALS!! Seeing, how he and bush, neither one have ANY!!

quote: No, he is not fit for command of a garbage scow, let alone the lone superpower of the world.And what makes, YOU qualified, to make such a judgement?. Nevermind, I dont really need your answer. I just REALLY start questioning someone, who attacks the character, of people, they do not know "squat" about; but purely, based on politically biased campaign attacks.....geese!! quote: who - wanting the control of a superpower - is fit to command it? REALLY!! Control Freaks need be eliminated...but then, who would there be to put in their place?..... Robin Williams?

quote: Of all of the archaeological digs, the most fascinating is that which passes down through the different levels of old Troy, where, at some point beneath those cities upon cities, we hope to find Achilles and his beloved Patroclus and all of that wrath with which our world began. The greatest impediment to world peace are the illusions surrounding war. Duty and sacrifice are the myths with which old men send young men off to die. Soldiers do not fight for flag or democracy; they fight for existential reasons -- their survival and that of their comrades. And when they choose to die for another, it is not out of patriotism, but because in that moment they understand that they and the other are one, that their true reality is in their identity and unity with all life. Flag waving is sentimentality. True patriotism is an intimate knowledge of the great documents on which this democracy is grounded, and working each day to bring their benefits to all people. If we wish to end unnecessary wars, we must stop the enshrinement of the military and of our war dead. Each time we see a man in uniform, a deep sense of defeat and shame should overcome us. And when parents lose their children in battle, they should see no pride in the slaughter of youth but vent a justified rage that their child has been robbed of life and lost the joy of children and of bringing into the world grandchildren. James Scofield, Olympia Now , when I read this: I APPLAUD this man: James Scofield...for his RATIONAL, and his INTELLIGENT, insight, into REALITY! You see, I am not taking it OUT of perspective, and blaming the man for ATTACKING the military personel, but ACKNOWLEDGING, the reality, that it is a FAILURE... that WAR is a necessity at all...that men must fight and die..for such rediculous reasons....as when another "CONTROL FREAK" gains some political power...and forces, mankind into such conflicts. AMEN!! James....I SEE your perspective.

quote: Of all of the archaeological digs, the most fascinating is that which passes down through the different levels of old Troy, where, at some point beneath those cities upon cities, we hope to find Achilles and his beloved Patroclus and all of that wrath with which our world began. The greatest impediment to world peace are the illusions surrounding war. Duty and sacrifice are the myths with which old men send young men off to die. Soldiers do not fight for flag or democracy; they fight for existential reasons -- their survival and that of their comrades. And when they choose to die for another, it is not out of patriotism, but because in that moment they understand that they and the other are one, that their true reality is in their identity and unity with all life. Flag waving is sentimentality. True patriotism is an intimate knowledge of the great documents on which this democracy is grounded, and working each day to bring their benefits to all people. If we wish to end unnecessary wars, we must stop the enshrinement of the military and of our war dead. Each time we see a man in uniform, a deep sense of defeat and shame should overcome us. And when parents lose their children in battle, they should see no pride in the slaughter of youth but vent a justified rage that their child has been robbed of life and lost the joy of children and of bringing into the world grandchildren. James Scofield, Olympia Now , when I read this: I APPLAUD this man: James Scofield...for his RATIONAL, and his INTELLIGENT, insight, into REALITY! You see, I am not taking it OUT of perspective, and blaming the man for ATTACKING the military personel, but ACKNOWLEDGING, the reality, that it is a FAILURE... that WAR is a necessity at all...that men must fight and die..for such rediculous reasons....as when another "CONTROL FREAK" gains some political power...and forces, mankind into such conflicts. AMEN!! James....I SEE your perspective.