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quote: You insulted Jag in another thread.. so quite frankly YOU shouldn't talk WHATEVER....

quote: This is ONE war Street, this is something that you can't seem to come to grips with. The stability of the president is not what I am worried about, it's your stability that worries me. personally jag, your wasting your breath, addressing me, in any way, shape or form Your immature flames are evidence of your instability...so whatever you say kid. quote: That newsmax article is similar to most right-wing propaganda, claiming a Al Qaeda-Iraqi link, jumping to conclusions. EXACTLY

Nomad, we have 90% of our military, currantly occupied with iraq, and afghanistan....this has put a strangle hold on our ability to deal with other world threats..which are more prevelant, and well routed. The United States can only handle ONE more "hands on" military operation, of any sizable scale. It would, in fact, be a fatal mistake for this country to take any further agressive steps toward any other country in the world. I know, many within this forum, do not agree with any position I assume; however, I have great concerns in the arrogance of our present day, foreign policy. Within this whole issue, is the present misunderstanding of the whole American populace, that we are not fighting a single war, but two distinct wars. This is the core, of the illusion, presented by our currant president, which need be clearly revealed to the American population. This is also, the core, of Bush's psychological instability. As he has demonstrated, he cannot adequately distinquish between the two very different "threats" presented. This is a common psychological failure, for one who cannot handle stress. And this is something, which cannot be foreseen, until events surrounding the individual cause it to surface. I firmly believe: "This country, and consequently the world, is in a tremendously unstable position of security, with such an individual, in control of of such an arsonel of power" quote:It's no laughing matter Street, but that's something you clearly have no capacity of understanding. Kalshion: Dont bother , My responses toward you and Jaq, will not be, as you expect. For very good reason. your immature flames, are redundant and offensive, and I have'nt the patience, nomad is willing to display. So, as is common among the locals here, " Dont start, there wont be none"

Nomad, you speak true and precise. as usual, i only wish i could speak as intelligent to those, who would rather not reason. http://www.ericblumrich.com/idiot.html

Washington -- President Bush portrays his position on Iraq as steady and unwavering as he represents Sen. John Kerry's stance as ambiguous and vacillating. "Mixed signals are the wrong signals,'' Bush said last week during a campaign stop in Bangor, Maine. "I will continue to lead with clarity, and when I say something, I'll mean what I say.'' Yet, heading into the first presidential debate Thursday, which will focus on foreign affairs, there is much in the public record to suggest that Bush's words on Iraq have evolved -- or, in the parlance his campaign often uses to describe Kerry, flip-flopped. An examination of more than 150 of Bush's speeches, radio addresses and responses to reporters' questions reveal a steady progression of language, mostly to reflect changing circumstances such as the failure to discover weapons of mass destruction, the lack of ties between Iraq and the al Qaeda terrorist network and the growing violence of Iraqi insurgents. A war that was waged principally to overthrow a dictator who possessed "some of the most lethal weapons ever devised'' has evolved into a mission to rid Iraq of its "weapons-making capabilities'' and to offer democracy and freedom to its 25 million residents. The president no longer expounds upon deposed Iraqi strongman Saddam Hussein's connections with al Qaeda, rarely mentions the rape and torture rooms or the illicit weapons factories that he once warned posed a direct threat to the United States. In the fall of 2002, as Bush sought congressional support for the use of force, he described the vote as a sign of solidarity that would strengthen his ability to keep the peace. Today, his aides describe it unambiguously as a vote to go to war. Whether such shifts constitute a reasonable evolution of language to reflect the progression of war, or an about-face to justify unmet expectations, is a subjective judgment tinged by partisan prejudice. Yet a close look at the record makes it difficult to support Bush campaign chairman Ken Mehlman's description of the upcoming debate as a "square-off between resolve and optimism versus vacillation and defeatism.'' A careful reading of Bush's statements on Iraq reveals many instances of consistency, just as The Chronicle's examination of Kerry's words found consistency in the Democratic challenger's statements. Over and over, Bush stated that the tragedy of Sept. 11, 2001, changed the way Americans -- including the commander in chief -- viewed the threat of terrorism and lowered the threshold of risk Americans were willing to accept. "Saddam Hussein's regime is a grave and gathering danger. To suggest otherwise is to hope against the evidence. To assume this regime's good faith is to bet the lives of millions and the peace of the world in a reckless gamble. And this is a risk we must not take,'' Bush said in a well-received speech before the U.N. General Assembly on Sept 12, 2002. Bush echoed those words earlier this month as he accepted his party's nomination for president a few miles away, at Madison Square Garden in New York: "Do I forget the lessons of September the 11th and take the word of a madman, or do I take action to defend our country? Faced with that choice, I will defend America every time.'' Yet the more specific explanation of a mission that has cost more than 1, 000 American lives, thousands of Iraqi lives and well over $100 billion has undergone a transformation. Prior to the March 2003 invasion of Iraq, Bush focused on weapons of mass destruction and stated the U.S. goal in straightforward terms. "Should we have to go in, our mission is very clear: disarmament. And in order to disarm, it would mean regime change,'' Bush said at a news conference two weeks before he took the nation to war. "And our mission won't change,'' Bush continued. "Our mission is precisely what I just stated.'' Six weeks later, speaking to workers at an Army tank plant in Ohio, the goal seemed to expand. "Our mission -- besides removing the regime that threatened us, besides ending a place where the terrorists could find a friend, besides getting rid of weapons of mass destruction -- our mission has been to bring humanitarian aid and restore basic services and put this country, Iraq, on the road to self- government.'' Last month, speaking to supporters at a campaign event in Wisconsin, Bush put it more plainly: "The goal in Iraq and Afghanistan is for there to be democratic and free countries who are allies in the war on terror. That's the goal.'' In the course of the campaign, such shifts have been characterized by Bush's opponents as lies. "He failed to tell the truth about the rationale for going to war,'' Kerry said during a speech at New York University last week in which he said Bush has offered 23 different rationales for going to war. "If his purpose was to confuse and mislead the American people, he succeeded.'' The count comes from a study conducted by an honors thesis written by a University of Illinois student, which actually attributed 19 rationales -- none mutually exclusive -- to Bush and four others to members of his administration. Most of the rationales were on the table from the beginning. What changed was the emphasis. Bush voiced no doubt from the beginning that Hussein possessed chemical, biological and potentially nuclear weapons. "Year after year, Saddam Hussein has gone to elaborate lengths, spent enormous sums, taken great risks, to build and keep weapons of mass destruction,'' Bush said in his State of the Union address in January 2003. By the following year, after no such weapons had been discovered and evidence suggested that much of the intelligence was wrong, Bush had toned down such talk and begun to speak of the "threat'' of Hussein developing such weapons. In his State of the Union address last January, Bush spoke of Hussein's "mass destruction-related program activities." "Look, there is no doubt that Saddam Husein was a dangerous person,'' the president told ABC's Diane Sawyer in an interview several weeks before that speech. "And there's no doubt we had a body of evidence providing that. And there is no doubt that the president must act, after 9/11, to make America a more secure country.'' Sawyer asked the president about the distinction between the "hard fact that there were weapons of mass destruction as opposed to the possibility that he could move to acquire those weapons.'' "So what's the difference?'' Bush responded. "The possibility that he could acquire weapons, if he were to acquire weapons, he would be the danger.'' "What would it take to convince you he didn't have weapons of mass destruction,'' Sawyer persisted. "Saddam Hussein was a threat,'' Bush responded. "And the fact that he is gone means America is a safer country.'' In the months since, Bush has changed his standard speech to reflect that failure to discover the weapons. "Although we have not found stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction, we were right to go into Iraq,'' Bush said in July in Tennessee. "We removed a declared enemy of America who had the capability of producing weapons of mass murder and could have passed that capability to terrorists bent on acquiring them. In the world after September the 11th, that was a risk we could not afford to take.'' There are a few instances where the president's words contradict developments or his previous statements. On March 6, 2003, for example, Bush insisted during a prime-time news conference that he would offer a resolution before the United Nations calling for the use of force against Iraq even if other nations threatened to veto it. "No matter what the whip count is, we're calling for the vote,'' Bush said. A few days later, after it became apparent that the measure would not only be vetoed but might fail to win a majority of the Security Council, the Bush administration dropped its demand for a vote. The president also said last month on NBC's "Today Show'' that "I don't think you can win'' the war on terrorism, explaining instead that the nation could greatly minimize the likelihood of terrorist attacks. The comment came after months of asserting the United States was winning, and would ultimately triumph, in its war on terror. The statement appeared to be little more than an inelegant way of adding nuance to his explanation, and the president quickly retreated from the words the following day. Some statements now look off-base after developments in Iraq, such as Bush's response in the first days of the war after learning that Iraqis may have captured some Americans. "I do know that we expect them to be treated humanely, just like we'll treat any prisoners of theirs that we capture humanely,'' Bush said, many months before American soldiers committed the atrocities at the Abu Ghraib prison. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- President Bush on Iraq Sept. 12, 2002 Speech before the U.N. General Assembly "Saddam Hussein's regime is a grave and gathering danger. To suggest otherwise is to hope against the evidence. To assume this regime's good faith is to bet the lives of millions and the peace of the world in a reckless gamble. And this is a risk we must not take.'' Sept. 19, 2002 Response to a reporter's question "If you want to keep the peace, you've got to have the authorization to use force. ... This is a chance for Congress to indicate support. It's a chance for Congress to say, we support the administration's ability to keep the peace. That's what this is all about.'' Oct. 7, 2002 Speech before the Veterans of Foreign Wars, Cincinnati "Saddam Hussein is harboring terrorists and the instruments of terror, the instruments of mass death and destruction. ... Knowing these realities, American must not ignore the threat gathering against us. Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof -- the smoking gun -- that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud.'' March 6, 2003 News conference "Should we have to go in, our mission is very clear: disarmament. And in order to disarm, it would mean regime change.'' March 17, 2003 Address to nation (two days before invasion) "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised. The danger is clear: Using chemical, biological or, one day, nuclear weapons obtained with the help of Iraq, the terrorists could fulfill their stated ambitions and kill thousands or hundreds of thousands of innocent people in our country or any other.'' May 1, 2003 Aboard the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln "Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed. ... The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11, 2001 -- and still goes on." Nov. 11, 2003 Veterans Day address "Our mission in Iraq and Afghanistan is clear to our service members -- and clear to our enemies. Our men and women are fighting to secure the freedom of more than 50 million people who recently lived under two of the cruelest dictatorships on earth. Our men and women are fighting to help democracy and peace and justice rise in a troubled and violent region. Our men and women are fighting terrorist enemies thousands of miles away in the heart and center of their power, so that we do not face those enemies in the heart of America.'' Aug. 16, 2004 Speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars, Cincinnati "Even though we did not find the stockpiles that we thought we would find, Saddam Hussein had the capability to make weapons of mass destruction, and he could have passed that capability on to our enemy, to the terrorists. It is not a risk after September the 11th that we could afford to take. Knowing what I know today, I would have taken the same action."

quote:Kerry in power scares me to death, absolutely. Fear, is what your all about. I think the whole world KNOWS that is the BUSH strategy. does not surprise me, you are neck deep in it. You should be. Kerry's got one hell of a chance!!

you know, your pathetic slanderous remarks, are becoming a real bore, Not to mention, your inability to think for yourself. Come on Jag, I am sure you can come up with some more creative ways to FLAME!! or is your vocabulary, truly so limited? as far as clueless...how often you get permission from your daddy to go sit on the dock?

It was merely what the title of the thread stated: nothing more, nothing less. Why you must try to prove your expertise, in things you obviously do not understand, I guess we will never know And as far as hating bush goes, just another one of your misinterpretations of reality. Irresponsible men in power, are a threat to the WHOLE nation's welfare, not mine alone. use some gray matter, and consider that one thought...if that is possible.

quote:I guess I really pissed you off that time... ROFLMAO!! Your arrogance and sheer ignorance is astounding, totally astounding, I am awed at your total lack of understanding of foreign policy and history. Poor, Poor, upset Street. Where are you getting these, impressions. I seriously believe your lost in your own world of illusion. PISSED OFF? not likely. Frustrated?, a little, You fail to recognize, I know the difference between people of intellect, and people who hide behind twisted facts, and outright lies. You being one of the latter, as your not even old enough to have served in vietnam, and claim you did; THEREFORE, I am only frustrated with myself, for attempting to speak with you, and your little follower, but that is neither here nor there, now is it? quote: Seriously, how can you be so clueless as to think that Kerry's plan would work? If you had really, ever been in the FIELD, you would understand..how kerry's plan can and would work, if applied as he promises. Much more likely to succeed, than bush opening a killing ground in the middle east, just because he was afraid of an enemy he could not see, but continues to breed.

quote: See Street Again, you failed to provide proof that Jaguar's fact's are screwed up That's why you aren't worth argueing with. You denie something without proof I stopped; because, I realized you have no concept, as to where the 87 billion actually went, and really am tired of teaching kindergarden politics 101. believe whatever you want.

LOL yeah, I can be an arrogant ass, that is definately one of my capabilities.. as is one of yours, as well. See? we do have something in common , after all!!

quote: Street, why are you so clueless? I really, really want to know? Is it drugs, did you get a head wound? Is it mental, is it physical? I mean what is it really that has you so unstable, and making NO sense whatsoever Your asking a question, which you should ask your shrink, concerning your own position. Dont EVEN ask me such rediculous, demeaning CRAP!! and expect an answer. An answer, you would not be capable of comprehending, in the first place. quote:If you ACTUALLY believe that what Kerry said last night made any kind of sense, then you are about as out there as he is. THANK YOU!! just reinforces, my view of reality to be balanced, and ACCURATE ! quote:Bilateral talks with Korea? Excuse me, we tried that, they walked away. We need China to put the pressure on. You better check out your "IMAGINED" congressional records, which you continue to refer to. BUSH walked away, NOT THE KOREANS...DUH quote: Nuclear bunker busters, it's actually the only thing that would be capable of taking out the WMD stores in some of these rogue countries, and Kerry would vote against them, just as he voted against most other arms programs, and voted AGAINST the 87 billion that went to giving our soldiers Armor, and armor for HUMMS's etc. Sorry, your facts all screwed up again.. here, let me do it for you: thats me, pounding myself, for trying to reason with people of no sound reasoning ability. SHEESH!!

quote:Bush is right, we can't win it because this war will go on for many many MANY year's to come.. it'll take a century, a decade, perhaps even more to come those to winning REAL FUNNY thing, here. I distinctly remember that two faced liar, BUSH, claimin he could win this war, just LAST NIGHT on the debates. I will review my tapes, but i know i am correct here. and as far as it being KERRY"S site, I think you should concede, that a political campaign is as reliable, a representation of the candidate and his issues, as your going to get....from ANY party....duh? Fact is: the BUSH methodology, for fighting this war, is misplaced, and inappropriately applied. PERIOD! Bush, has no concept, what kind of TERROR, he is apt to be breeding, or from what front. All he knows is fear, and retalitory response. He doesnt even have a coherent grasp, as to what TERRORISM really is, much less, what it will take to stop such attacks. And IRAQ(no connection with TERRORIST) is a war, he does not understand enough to even gain control. Imagine that. The country's troops ran away(according to Bush), and with all our military might and technology, we cant contain the opposition. All he can do is babble, "its hard work" I suppose, It has'nt even entered your mind, that this AIRFORCE guardsman, reject...might not have ANY EXPERIANCE, in this field..huh? And I suppose, you did not notice, the incompetance showing, during the debate? AMAZING, how superior, your intellect is... [ 10-01-2004, 05:05 PM: Message edited by: street ]

quote:Not sure if that's Sarcasm or not, but in politic's I don't like Sarcasm.. it get's people killed.. I hardly find that a PLAN, I find that more like a personnel Vendetta... HELP IS ON THE WAY. quote: I want him to tell me EXACTLY what is going to do America was born in pursuit of an idea - that a free people with diverse beliefs can govern themselves in peace. Throughout our history, we have forged powerful alliances to defend, encourage, and promote that idea around the world. Through two World Wars, the Cold War, the Gulf War and Kosovo, America led instead of going it alone. We respected the world - and the world respected us. Today, our leadership has walked away from more than a century of American leadership in the world to embrace a new - and dangerously ineffective - American disregard for the world. They bully instead of persuade. They act alone when they could assemble a team. They confuse leadership with going it alone. They fail to understand that real leadership means standing by your principles and rallying others to join you. John Kerry and John Edwards believe in a better, stronger America - an America that is respected, not just feared. An America that listens and leads - that cherishes freedom, safeguards our people, uplifts others, forges alliances, and deserves respect. This is the America they believe in. This is the America they are fighting for. And this is the America we can be. Today, we face three great challenges above all others - First, to win the global war against terror; Second, to stop the spread of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons; Third, to promote democracy, freedom, and opportunity around the world, starting by winning the peace in Iraq. To meet these challenges, John Kerry's national security policy will be guided by four imperatives: Launch And Lead A New Era Of Alliances The threat of terrorism demands alliances on a global scale - to utilize every available resource to get the terrorists before they can strike at us. As president, John Kerry will lead a coalition of the able - because no force on earth is more able than the United States and its allies. Modernize The World's Most Powerful Military To Meet New Threats John Kerry and John Edwards have a plan to transform the world's most powerful military to better address the modern threats of terrorism and proliferation, while ensuring that we have enough properly trained and equipped troops to meet our enduring strategic and regional missions. Deploy All That Is In America's Arsenal The war on terror cannot be won by military might alone. As president, John Kerry will deploy all the forces in America's arsenal - our diplomacy, our intelligence system, our economic power, and the appeal of our values and ideas - to make America more secure and prevent a new generation of terrorists from emerging. Free America From Its Dangerous Dependence On Mideast Oil To secure our full independence and freedom, we must free America from its dangerous dependence on Mideast oil. By tapping American ingenuity, we can achieve that goal while growing our economy and protecting our environment. The measure of a strong economy is a growing middle-class where every American has a chance to work and an opportunity to succeed. In America, a rising tide is supposed to lift all boats. But today, Americans are working harder, earning less, and paying more for health care, college, and taxes. Corporate profits are soaring, the government keeps expanding, but the opportunities for our middle-class are shrinking. It's time to bring those opportunities back. John Kerry and John Edwards know that we're stronger when we create good-paying jobs here, not ship them overseas. They want to reward hardworking middle-class families with tax breaks, not larger bills. They want to expand the reach of opportunity, not the size of government. And they want to lead an America where we work together to invest in the jobs of tomorrow. John Kerry and John Edwards have seen the faces and heard the voices of struggling middle-class families. But they've come away convinced more than ever that we're a country of optimists - a country that can do better and think bigger about the challenges we face. We can grow our economy by strengthening our middle-class. And we can make America richer by giving everyone a chance to build a better life for their families. John Kerry and John Edwards' plan to build a stronger economy will: Create Good-Paying Jobs As president, John Kerry will cut taxes for businesses that create jobs here in America instead of moving them overseas. John Kerry and John Edwards will also stand up for workers by enforcing our trade agreements. Cut Middle-Class Taxes To Raise Middle-Class Incomes When John Kerry is president, middle-class taxes will go down. Ninety-eight percent of all Americans and 99 percent of American businesses will get a tax cut under the Kerry-Edwards plan. Make Washington Live Within A Budget John Kerry will cut the deficit in half during his first four years in office. He will end corporate welfare as we know it, roll back the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, and impose a real cap to keep spending in check. And when John Kerry puts forward a new idea, he'll tell you how he's going to pay for it. Invest In The Jobs Of Tomorrow Today, businesses are harnessing new technology to manufacture energy-efficient cars, high-grade steel, advanced plastics and other new products. And this requires a bigger, skilled labor force to make them. John Kerry and John Edwards believe we should invest in these jobs and invest in the people who will fill them. Affordable, high-quality health care will keep our families healthy, our businesses competitive, and our country strong. Over the last three years, family premiums have increased by more than $3,512 and prescription drug prices have grown four times faster than inflation. These skyrocketing costs have hurt our economy and forced many families into bankruptcy. We deserve a president who understands that in America, regular check-ups shouldn't empty family checkbooks - a president who will put people ahead of insurance and drug companies. John Kerry and John Edwards have a plan to address soaring premiums and cut Americans a break. Their plan will lower family premiums by up to $1,000 a year, cut waste from the system, lower the cost of prescription drugs to provide real relief to seniors, and use targeted tax cuts to extend affordable, high-quality coverage to 95 percent of Americans, including every child. And because John Kerry and John Edwards believe that everyone's health is equally important, they will provide all Americans with access to the same coverage that members of Congress give themselves. To make affordable health care a right - not a privilege - for every American, John Kerry and John Edwards will: Cut Your Premiums John Kerry and John Edwards will cut family premiums by up to $1,000. That's $1,000 in real savings people can use to buy groceries, pay the bills, and save for their children's future. And that will mean more jobs and more competitive American businesses. Cover All Americans With Quality Care The Kerry-Edwards plan will give every American access to the range of high-quality, affordable plans available to members of Congress and extend coverage to 95 percent of Americans, including every American child. Their plan will also fight to erase the health disparities that persist along racial and economic lines, ensure that people with HIV and AIDS have the care they need, end discrimination against Americans with disabilities and mental illnesses, and ensure equal treatment for mental illness in our health system. Cut the Cost of Prescription Drugs The Kerry-Edwards plan will reduce prescription drug prices by allowing the re-importation of safe prescription drugs from Canada, overhauling the Medicare drug plan, ensuring low-cost drugs, and ending artificial barriers to generic drug competition. Cut Waste And Inefficiency Today, approximately 25 percent of health care costs are wasted on paperwork and administrative processing. The Kerry-Edwards plan harnesses American ingenuity to cut waste, save billions, and take new steps to ensure patient privacy. Together, Americans will be freer and stronger when we break our dependence on foreign oil. Today, we consume 2.5 million barrels of oil per day from the Middle East, where instability has pushed prices to record highs. These soaring energy costs are burdening middle-class families with higher gas prices, and our dependence on Middle East oil is putting our national security at risk. America will be safer and freer when the resources that fuel our economy are in our own hands, when we develop new energy sources right here in America. John Kerry and John Edwards will put America on the path towards energy independence. They will harness the full force of American optimism and ingenuity to invest in new technologies and alternative fuels, create tax incentives that help automakers produce more fuel efficient cars, and reward the consumers who buy them. We invented and built the cars we drive today - we can invent and build the cars we drive tomorrow, too. The Kerry-Edwards plan will increase energy conservation and create clean, renewable sources of energy that no terrorist can sabotage and no foreign government can seize. Their plan will also save billions by cutting waste and pork-barrel spending in Washington. John Kerry and John Edwards believe that achieving an energy independent America - an America strong at home and secure in the world - is the great project for our generation. To create an energy independent America, John Kerry and John Edwards will: Explore And Develop New Energy Sources Tomorrow's energy economy will be fueled by new energy sources. The Kerry-Edwards plan will invest in the research and exploration needed to turn ideas into fuel and develop renewable energy sources. Develop Tomorrow's Technology Today Under the Kerry-Edwards plan, America will take the lead in developing the new technology and production methods needed to ensure that resources such as coal and natural gas are used more efficiently and cleanly, and fully integrated into the New Energy Economy. Make America Energy Independent Of Middle East Oil Our security in the war on terror demands an end to our dependence on Middle East oil. Under the Kerry-Edwards plan, we will strengthen our national security while growing our economy and protecting our environment. The most basic responsibility of a president is defending our homeland. We've seen some progress in making America more secure since September 11 - but there is still much more to be done. Today our government is not doing enough to make us safe. Our intelligence services remain fragmented and lack coordination. Our borders and ports are full of holes. Our chemical plants are vulnerable to attack. And across America, police officers, firefighters, and other first responders still lack the information, gear, and equipment to do their jobs safely and successfully. America needs a new strategy for homeland security that takes steps as big as the threats we face. John Kerry and John Edwards have that strategy. They will do whatever it takes to make America safe - coordinate our intelligence agencies, take action on all key fronts, stand up for security whenever special interests stand in the way, and get the needed resources to the first responders who defend America every day. John Kerry and John Edwards will offer a new security strategy that addresses five major challenges: Track And Stop Terrorists Many of the intelligence problems that allowed terrorists to slip into our country before 9/11 have not been addressed. John Kerry and John Edwards will improve our ability to gather, analyze, and share information so we can track down and stop terrorists before they cause harm. Protect Our Borders And Shores Today, our borders, our ports, and our airports are not as secure as they must be. John Kerry and John Edwards will make our airports, seaports, and borders more secure without intruding upon personal liberties. Harden Vulnerable Targets Chemical industry lobbying has kept the Bush administration from strengthening security at chemical plants, where an attack could endanger 1 million Americans. John Kerry and John Edwards will always put Americans' safety ahead of big business interests and take strong measures to harden likely targets-including nuclear plants, trains, and subways-against possible attack. Improve Domestic Readiness Our first defenders will respond to any attack with courage and heroism-but they also need the equipment and manpower to do the job. John Kerry and John Edwards will back up their words with resources and ensure that America's first responders have everything they need to protect their communities. Guard Liberty. We must always remember that terrorists do not just target our lives - they target our way of life. John Kerry and John Edwards believe in an America that is safe and free, and they will protect our personal liberties as well as our personal security. Education is at the core of America's basic promise - that all Americans should be able to make the most of their potential. John Kerry and John Edwards have a vision for American education: every child should be held to high standards, and every school should have the resources and the responsibility to meet those standards. Every classroom should have a great teacher. Every young person should graduate from high school, and every young person who works hard and wants to go to college should be able to afford it. And all Americans should be able to get the skills they need to succeed throughout their lives. Today, our country is not realizing that vision. Schools do not have the resources they need to succeed, Washington is not working to make reform succeed and children are losing out. One million students are dropping out of high school every year, and because the price of college has risen by 35 percent over the last three years, 220,000 qualified young people were priced out of college last year. John Kerry and John Edwards have a plan to do better-to ensure that all Americans can make the most of their God-given talents. They will offer schools the resources and the reforms they need to give every American child a great education, regardless of their income, race, or family background. John Kerry and John Edwards will: Meet Our Responsibilities To Our Schools John Kerry and John Edwards will establish a National Education Trust Fund to ensure that schools always get the funding they need. They will also ensure that No Child Left Behind works for schools, states, and teachers by rewarding those who meet higher standards and rewarding schools that turn around and improve. Continue Reform And Put A Great Teacher In Every Classroom Great teachers are the foundation of a great school. As president, John Kerry will enact a new bargain that offers teachers more, including better training and better pay in troubled schools, and asks for more in return, including fast, fair ways to make sure that teachers who don't belong in the classroom don't stay there. Offer 3.5 Million After-School Opportunities Through "School's Open 'Til Six" John Kerry and John Edwards are strong supporters of after-school programs. They give students extra help, keep them out of trouble, and offer peace of mind to working parents. The Kerry-Edwards "School's Open 'Til 'Six" initiative will offer after-school opportunities to 3.5 million children, through programs that are open until 6 p.m. and offer safe transportation for children. Make College Affordable For All And Expand Lifelong Learning As president, John Kerry will offer a fully refundable College Opportunity Tax credit on up to $4,000 of tuition for every year of college and offer aid to states that keep tuitions down. And he will launch a new effort to ensure that all of our workers can get the technical skills and advanced training they need. As Americans, we have the right to breathe unpolluted air, drink safe water, eat uncontaminated food, live in clean communities and enjoy our natural treasures. Over the last three years, we have seen these rights eroded. We have seen hard-won environmental gains rolled back, our air polluted and our water contaminated. In the 21st Century, we can have progress without pollution - we can grow our economy while protecting our natural resources. But we need a leader who looks to the future and invests in innovation. Throughout his career, John Kerry has fought to clean up toxic waste sites, to keep our air and water clean, and to protect the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and other pristine wilderness areas. Recently, the League of Conservation Voters called Senator Kerry an "environmental champion." John Kerry and John Edwards will set a new standard of environmental excellence for America. They will honor our national treasures and pay tribute to our natural wonders, while renewing our nation's promise of clean air, clean water and a bountiful landscape for all. They recognize that we owe it to our families, our communities, and our planet to defend our environmental values and protect our environmental rights. John Kerry and John Edwards will: Create Cleaner, Greener Communities Together, we can improve the environment in backyards and communities across America. John Kerry and John Edwards will revitalize contaminated industrial sites, get toxins out of communities, guarantee our children access to clean, safe parks and baseball fields, and take on traffic congestion and sprawl. Enact A Conservation Covenant With America John Kerry and John Edwards believe that Americans are united in our respect for the land. They will enact a Conservation Covenant with America to ensure balanced protection for our public lands and adequate resources to enhance our national parks. Protect Our Health By Reducing Dangerous Air Emissions As president, John Kerry will reverse the Bush-Cheney rollbacks to our Clean Air Act, plug loopholes in the law, take aggressive action to stop acid rain, and use innovative, job-creating programs to reduce mercury emissions and other emissions that contribute to global warming. Restore America's Waters Today, approximately 45 percent of our nation's waterways do not meet the "drinkable, swimmable and fishable" standard set out by the Clean Water Act 30 years ago. As president, John Kerry will implement a "Restore America's Waters" campaign, an integrated approach to protecting our precious, limited water resources. He will work with states on the toughest water quality challenges, restore damaged watersheds, protect wetlands, invest in our waterfronts and coastal communities, and protect our oceans. And if that isnt enough information for you... just take the time to check out his website, where he explains the issues: http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/ quote: Uh huh, it's like I said.. The terrorist's want this guy in office because the moment he get's in office and the moment he use's the UN, WE WILL LOSE THIS WAR I wish you would quit referring to the KERRY supporters, as TERRORIST!!. Even BUSH, doesnt believe he can win this war...or does he..which is it? quote:ÔÇ£CanÔÇÖt Win The War On TerrorÔÇØ Asked ÔÇ£Can we win [the war on terror]?ÔÇØ Bush said, ÔÇ£I donÔÇÖt think you can win it. But I think you can create conditions so that the - those who use terror as a tool are less acceptable in parts of the world.ÔÇØ [NBC, ÔÇ£The Today Show,ÔÇØ 8/30/04] on, and on, and on...Now, do you REALLY want me to jump in with BOTH feet?

i will wait on you to finish your dissection, before I continue...I realize, much of this is probably over your head, and will attempt to break it down for you after your through

Mixed Messages on Winning the War on Terror Cant Win The War On Terror Asked Can we win [the war on terror]? Bush said, I dont think you can win it. But I think you can create conditions so that the - those who use terror as a tool are less acceptable in parts of the world. [NBC, The Today Show, 8/30/04] Mixed Messages on Osama Bin Laden QUESTION: Do you want bin Laden dead? BUSH: I want justice. And theres an old poster out west, that I recall, that said, Wanted, Dead or Alive. [bush Remarks, 9/17/01, emphasis added] BUSH: And [Osama Bin Laden is] just  hes a person who has now been marginalized. His network is -- his host government has been destroyed. Hes the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his matchSo I dont know where he is. Nor -- you know, I just dont spend that much time on him really, to be honest with you. II truly am not that concerned about him. [bush Remarks, 3/13/02] Mixed Messages on Protecting the Homeland Bush Thought Homeland Security Cabinet Position Was "Just Not Necessary And Blocked Its Creation. In October 2001, White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer said Bush opposed creating Office of Homeland Security position for Ridge. "[T]he president has suggested to members of Congress that they do not need to make this a statutory post, that he [Ridge] does not need Cabinet rank, for example, there does not need to be a Cabinet-level Office of Homeland Security is because there is such overlap among the various agencies, because every agency of the government has security concerns," Fleischer said. [White House Press Briefing, 10/24/01] REALITY CHECK!! on who is the REAL flip flop, or liar, you choose... While Bush Failed to Have a Plan, Kerry Will Make it A Priority To End Nuclear Weapons Programs In North Korea, Kerry will make it a priority to end nuclear weapons programs in states like North Korea and Iran. As President, Kerry will continue the six party negotiations, but will also be prepared to talk directly with North Korea. John Kerry would adopt a comprehensive approach based on the hard realities that confront us. While Kerry would maintain all options, including military ones, he would be willing to negotiate on a range of issues of concern to both parties, including North Koreas concerns for its security and economic development. [NYT, 9/12/04], [Washington Post, 7/9/04] [Washington Post, 8/6/04] North Korean Nuclear Capability Has Quadrupled Under Bushs Watch While He Sat By and Failed to Do Anything. The Bush administration's erratic handling of the North Korean nuclear crisis has served only to create confusion and put North Korea's despotic leader, Kim Jong Il, in the driver's seat. Bush initially said he would not tolerate nuclear weapons in North Korea, yet since he took office, North Koreas nuclear capability has quadrupled, with U.S. intelligence services estimating that Pyongyang now has fuel for up to eight nuclear weapons. According to Bush Administration officials, The United States has determined that North Korea is working on new ballistic missile systems designed to deliver nuclear warheads and that it is testing the technology by proxy in Iran. [ABC, This Week, 9/12/04; Christian Science Monitor, 9/15/04; Associated Press, 8/5/04; NYT, 9/12/04] Former Bush Special Envoy to North Korea Said Bush Lacked An Effective Strategy To Deal With North Korea. Charles Pritchard, formerly Secretary of State Colin Powell's top official dealing with North Korea, has warned for months that "the White House lacks an effective strategy to dissuade North Korea from building up its nuclear arms." Under Bush's watch, "North Korea's nuclear arsenal, which was once thought to number one or two weapons, appears to be growing substantially." According to Pritchard, the situation has deteriorated because "the administration has neither offered much of a carrot nor wielded a stick." The administration has refused to engage North Korea in direct negotiations or "put the North Koreans on notice that further developments will trigger economic sanctions or perhaps even military actions." [united Press International, 9/21/04] Where is the FACTS??? gimme the FACTS? ok..here are just a FEW of what i have availiable!!! [ 10-01-2004, 03:23 PM: Message edited by: street ]

Kerry has a plan: "To REMOVE an incompetant phycho misfit from a position of power" Only plan he needs. Anyone in their right mind, could see the nervous little kid, caught with his finger in the cookie jar, trying to justify his incompetant behavior. I enjoyed the hell out of the debate, It was quite refreshing, to see bush stumbling all over himself

America needs a leader that is balanced, thoughtful, integrative, supportive of dissent and debate, and above all, educated enough to craft a national strategy for security and prosperity that will stand the test of time. I want a leader who is at least as committed to the future of my children as to the passing security and prosperity of the moment. Individuals obsessing on being elected or re-elected need not apply. In my view as a citizen, there are four areas where the right individual, as a team builder rather than a personal icon, could help America restore its balance. These four areas are: 1) electoral reform, 2) intelligence reform, 3) global issues & national security reform, and 4) governance reform inclusive of corporate ethics and accountability. I would sum up the objective of all four reform initiatives with the phrase: ÔÇ£Creating a Smart Nation, Of, By, and For the People.ÔÇØ I take it as a given that no election that limits itself to Republican and Democratic candidates, and their die-hard voters, will achieve the outcome I seek. We must engage the vast majority of Americans who are Independent, Green, Reform, Libertarian, or dropped out, and we must help the people take back the power while creating a new form of participatory democracy that cannot be hijacked by elitist power brokers who manipulate government to serve their own ends. Common Sense Guide to Big Issues Electoral ReformÔÇöRestoring the People as Owners of Democracy We own this country, but unless we manage it directly, we will lose it to bureaucratic ÔÇ£squatters.ÔÇØ. Electoral reform has not been articulated in a broad enough manner. Ralph Nader has correctly identified many of its elements, but is not willing to build the non-partisan coalition to make it happen. This is what I want as soon as possible, beginning with a candidate and team committed to these objectives: Change law to do voting on week-ends (with Sundays for Orthodox Jews); Restore League of Women Voters as the presidential debate manager, and open the debates to third, fourth, and fifth parties. Announce non-partisan Cabinet in advance of election and in time to enable the League of Women voters to change the voter evaluation paradigm by interspersing Cabinet candidate debates with Presidential and Vice Presidential debates. Implement the ÔÇ£instant run-offÔÇØ concept, where the first choice counts toward future Federal funding for minority or losing parties, but the second choice, if first choice does not win, counts toward the election of a winner elected by a majority. End physical gerrymandering, and move instead toward virtual representation in which citizens can self-identify as belonging to a specific party, and then vote for Governors, Congress, and other key positions as a member of that virtual community within each stateÔÇöthis will achieve true representation; and End corporate and association contributions to political candidatesÔÇösimply make them illegal, while doubling salaries of elected officials over ten years, coincident with a push for major increases in salaries for those engaged in homeland nation-buildingÔÇöteachers, cops, firemen, and public health professionals. Intelligence ReformÔÇöGlobal Understanding, State & Local Security ÔÇ£Nothing in the existing or planned Federal budget makes America any safer! Our government has gotten out of touch with global realities, at the same time that we have failed to develop new forms of state & local security. Below are some general intelligence reforms I want to see championed by a candidate and team of substance: Restructuring of the Presidential staff to create four Director-Generals for Policy, Strategy, Intelligence, and Research. America has no serious strategy for its future, intelligence is not impacting on policy or strategy, and government research (as well as taxation policies) are retarding rather than advancing the private sectorÔÇÖs ability to be innovative. Creation of a consolidated National Foreign Intelligence Program that gives the Director-General for Intelligence control over the three technical intelligence agencies now within the defense department, while earmarking 50% of the program in peace, 85% in war, for defense. Elevation of the National Intelligence Council to the Office of the President, where it can do a better job of harnessing the distributed intelligence of the entire Nation, while also working more closely with the Cabinet departments. Establishment of the Global Knowledge Foundation, a $1.5 billion a year ÔÇ£.orgÔÇØ dedicated to helping all elements of the government as well as the private sector gain better access to open sources of information in all languages of the worldÔÇö80% of what we need for 5% of the cost of secrets. Includes creation of a ÔÇ£virtual national intelligence communityÔÇØ of leading experts on everything who do not want top secret clearances, and a Digital Marshall Plan for Third WorldÔÇöthe sooner they are ÔÇ£wiredÔÇØ the sooner we can more ably understand them. General redirection of the major intelligence agencies, to include conversion of the NRO into the National Collection Agency, CIA into the National Analysis Agency, and NSA into the National Processing Agency, while creating a new Clandestine Service Agency that is truly clandestine, and a Homeland Security Intelligence Program that enables Governors and Mayors to establish professional intelligence and counterintelligence programs under their sovereignty rather than as federal initiatives. Global Issues & National Security ReformÔÇöRevitalizing Soft Power ÔÇ£The world is on fire, but we can put this fire out while also preventing future fires! America leans toward isolationist and what I call ÔÇ£false neutralÔÇØ positions. In a world at war with itself there are no neutral positionsÔÇöonly victims, if not today, then tomorrow. We need a candidate and team that can help America to properly interpret 9-11 as the early warning of global chaos, and terrorism as the least of our problems. There are 102 conflicts between different nation-states today, and 175 violent internal political conflicts within individual nation-states. At the same time there are 32 complex emergenciesÔÇöfailed statesÔÇötoday; 66 countries with millions of displaced persons and refugees; 33 countries suffering famine and starvation; and 59 countries and rising with plagues and epidemics. There are 18 genocide campaigns going on, today; child soldiers are killing and being killed in 41 countries; corruption is common in 80 countries, and censorship in 62 countries. Water scarcity looms large. Against this real world complexity, America spends almost its entire national security budget of $500B a year on a ÔÇ£heavy metalÔÇØ military that is useless 90% of the time, meaning that we underfund special operations and low intensity conflict forces, underfund diplomacy, overt intelligence, and economic assistance, underfund education at home and abroad, ignore public health, and ignore public safety around the world, allowing warlords and crime kingpins a free run. This has to stop but it will not stop unless America finds a leader of gravitas who is truly representative of both our values, and the power of our budget if spent wisely. This new national security strategy could be called ÔÇ£1+iiiÔÇØ and could, within the $500 billion a year now being spent (greater than what the next 20 nations, including Russia and China, spend together), redirect funds as follows: Big War. Fence at $250 billion a year, fully 50% of the national security budget. Designed to be able to take on the Russians and the Chinese simultaneously, inclusive of strategic nuclear forces, a 12 division-wing-carrier battle group team, and reserve-reinforcement bridges to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization forces or Asian allies. Small War. Increase from $20 billion to $75 billion a year, 15% of the national security budget. Empowers U.S. Special Operations Command as a global operational force, but introduces constabulary-gendarme forces that can impose order within failed states while providing police, medical, and other critical public services needed in the transition back to local control and security. Creates a new ÔÇ£ground truthÔÇØ foreign area observer force. Peace Force. Increase from $20 billion to $100 billion a year, 20% of the national security budget. Dramatically restores the competency and global presence of the Department of State; reinstates the independence of the U.S. Information Agency, doubling the latter to manage global educational program. Increases Peace Corps and the Agency for International Development, with a special emphasis on public health as well as water and food security. Home Force. Increase from $38 billion (was $16 billion) to $75 billion a year, 15% of the national security budget. This investment helps state & local authorities, under their own sovereignty rather than as part of a federalized system, devise effective measures for detecting and responding to all threats including terrorism, crime, disease, and natural disasters. Governance ReformÔÇöCoalition Approach, State Power, More Ethics ÔÇ£America canÔÇÖt be governed by one man and his buddiesÔÇöit takes a coalition team. The world, and America, have gotten too complex to rely on a single President being elected, and then leaving the rest of the team up to his preferences. America needs to see a candidate for President that has both the courage and the ÔÇ£big tentÔÇØ philosophy of non-partisan teamwork to pre-select and offer for inspection as part of their two-year campaign, a complete Cabinet. The process of devising a Coalition Cabinet should start now. A leader of a multi-party team, with a landslide popular and electoral vote behind them, should be able to carry out this comprehensive reform agenda that puts the power back in the people, and common sense back into a down-sized government. Emphasizing the need to use federal funding to empower state & local governments with respect to intelligence & counterintelligence could also set the stage for proposing new national initiatives for elementary and secondary education as well as public health across America. Thomas Jefferson said ÔÇ£A NationÔÇÖs best defense is an educated citizenry.ÔÇØ The people of this Nation are its seed corn, and we must tend these fields. Every American should receive the same high-quality education, regardless of the prevailing real estate values that now fund vastly disparate levels of education. At the same time, some form of universal health insurance is needed, not only to cover the uninsured, but also to liberate AmericaÔÇÖs workers from their dependence on corporate health plans that constrain job mobility and innovation. Finally, we must dramatically re-invigorate our preventive medicine and public health programs to lower the costs to the taxpayer and our families of diseaseÔÇöincluding animal-borne and terrorist-spawned epidemicsÔÇöthat could have been prevented in the first place. At the same time, we need a candidate who is very strong on ethicsÔÇöAmerica suffers when their leadership is perceived by both the people and the international public as being ÔÇ£in the pockets ofÔÇØ big oil or big pharmaceutical companies, or other special interests. The right candidate, with a proven mind of their own, can make the economic case for ethics. A Nobel Prize was awarded for a demonstration that trust lowers the cost of doing business. Ethics is pro-business and pro-consumer at the same time. Finally, we need a candidate and a team that can change the paradigm of the PresidencyÔÇöour new President should plan to spend more time on ÔÇ£Seventh GenerationÔÇØ challenges that bear directly on the future of the entire world as well as the future security and prosperity of America seven generations out, and less time on top-level day to day Executive matters. The new Vice President should spend two thirds of their time actually managing the government, and one third training to be President in the future. All this puts power back in the hands of the people, while tackling the tough issues head on.

FOX-public- Server Update: I have disabled the NPC generation, as my machine does not seem to be able to handle it..... Hopefully, this is only temporary. I plan to add another 1/2 gig memory, and free up, some of the shared memory this weekend. meanwhile... you will have to fight each other, or hunt down npc on server 4 Black Raider, i will jump in and help you test...

quote:... If anyone is even in. LOL Ill be in from time to time 7pm-11pm GMT -6hrs

be sure to sign the responsibility waiver.... I think I'm gonna wait until they prove, they can get people back safely(more than a few times) ...besides; thats one heap a change, to pay someone that could inadvertantly kill you.

definately would be the experiance of a life time

quote:Ive played already and connection is rock stable, even im in Germany and Street is in Texas Damn, i forgot some keys after a month of vacation... GREAT!!, and thanks for the report. I was a little concerned. Took me all weekend to get it working...