Happy Birthday, United States Marine Corps!

[ShoHashi]

You former Marines know the saying, "Once a Marine, always a Marine." I still live by that even though I only served 5 years in our beloved Corps. Anyways, I'd like to wish a very happy 225th birthday to the United States Marine Corps! Oooh Raaah!

ShoHashi

aka Cpl Michael P. Aikey

1st Tracked Vehicle Battalion

3rd Marine Division

1983 - 1988

[Guest]

Semper Fi devil dog! Gonna be going to boot camp after Thanksgiving and be a future Marine myself!

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Cmdr. Kron

ICV Darkness, Spectre HQ (Antis)

Spectre Fleet

[ShoHashi]

Well, DarkHorizon, you'll have it tough the first several months, but once you are finished with bootcamp and assigned out to the FMF, it'll get better. You will have bad days and be thinking, "What the heck did I join for?," and you'll have good days. I found that all the good days amounted to more than the bad days that I had. My advice for bootcamp for you is to: (1) Keep your mouth shut, (2) Do as you're told and (3) Leave any attitude problems at home. Do those and you'll be okay! Semper Fi!

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Commodore ShoHashi

ICV Aries, New Frontier (Rinaal)

Station Commander, New Frontier

Bishamon Fleet

ICQ 484321

[email protected]

"You can only love or hate something you truly understand."

[Gallion]

Uncle Sam's Misguided Children, one of the finest collections of motley fools that I've ever had the honor to associate with

TTFN

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Fleet Commander Gallion

(Pro Tem)

GCV Graf Spee, Starbase Cerberus

Fleet Leader - Wraith Fleet (Pro Tem)

Wing Leader - Wraith Fleet/Corsair Wing

"Run Silent, Run Deep"

Corsair Cove

Official Tester, Battlecruiser Series

[This message has been edited by Gallion (edited 11-11-2000).]

[Avant Garde]

Or as some say "Muscles Are Required, Intelligence Not Essential"

Heh I'm enjoying this 96 hours of libo here at 29 palms

If I only had my copy of bc3k with me.

PFC Chan

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Cmdr. John Clark

GCV-Transcendence

The more we sweat in peace time, the less we bleed in war time.

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[ShoHashi]

29 Stumps! Boy, I could had serious fun while stationed there going to Field Radio Operator School! I could tell you some fun weekends I had there!

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Commodore ShoHashi

ICV Aries, New Frontier (Rinaal)

Station Commander, New Frontier

Bishamon Fleet

ICQ 484321

[email protected]

"You can only love or hate something you truly understand."

[Maxamillian]

Semper Fi Buddy, I got mine you'll get yours.

I learned how not to kill sand-fleas at Paris Island and it was down hill from there.

1963-1973

Mustang Sgt.E5/2nd Lt.

1st Bat. 7th Marines FAC 1st Marine Div.

First Force Recon, 1st Marine Div.

HQ Bat. 2nd Marine Div.

Hell, after Clinton's going to Vietnam, who knows, you might get to fight another conflict over there. Beautiful country if you get a chance to look at it.

'MAX'

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Cmdr. Maxamillian (MAX)

GCV-Dreadnaught, GALCOMHQ (Earth)

G2 Intelligence/Security; G3 Tactics (Acting)-Prime Fleet

[Steele]

Hi comrades :]

I'm not a marine, but I'm just doing my military service in the German "Heer" (Army).

What ShoHashi says are maybe the most important hints to help you through the basic training (which is kick-ass, even

over here...).

Another good advice: HELP YOUR COMRADES!

If you completed the task assigned to you,

don't lay back and relax, go to your fellow

recruits and support them! Drill sergeants

love that! (And it makes life a little easier for everyone...)

Keep your head high (but never higher than your instructor does!!!)

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Commander Steele

GCV Terra Kresta, Wraith HQ (Lyrius)

Wraith Fleet/SIN Wing

Stealth - the only thing between you and your enemy's guns

[Wolferz]

Here's some more advice for the new Private.

Ever hear the saying, "Never Volunteer"?

When I was in boot camp, the Drills asked for a volunteer and we all stood there looking like idiots. To say it ticked them Drills off would be GROSS understatement.

We spent the next two hours doing rock drills.

So if a Drill asks for volunteer/s, you better be knocking people out of your way to get to the front!

Also, if you screw up and the Drill puts his brown round on your forehead and starts spitting in your face, asking why you screwed up... your standard reply should be:

"No excuse Sergeant!"

And heaven help your young fourth point of contact if you get a female Drill, or worse, several female Drills.

God gave you two eyes, two ears, and one mouth for the sole purpose of looking and listening twice as much as you talk.

Words to live by in the military.

Good luck in your new career.

Oh, almost forgot. If they ask you why you joined, do not, I repeat, DO NOT say "For the college money"

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Cmdr H. T. Wolferz

GCV-Kentucky, GALCOMHQ (EARTH)

Prime Fleet - Beta Wing

[ShoHashi]

quote:

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Another good advice: HELP YOUR COMRADES!

If you completed the task assigned to you,

don't lay back and relax, go to your fellow

recruits and support them! Drill sergeants

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Thanks, Steele, I did forget to mention that. That is very important as well. DIs want to instill teamwork during training.

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Commodore ShoHashi

ICV Aries, New Frontier (Rinaal)

Station Commander, New Frontier

Bishamon Fleet

ICQ 484321

[email protected]

"You can only love or hate something you truly understand."

[Avant Garde]

eh.. Wolferz, you pretty much asking to be ITed if you call your drill instructor Seargent or by their rank. Also, recruits don't rate the title private till they reach the crucible.

My best advice for boot camp is just suck everything up and keep on charging. Boot Camp isn't really that hard once if you think about it. The Corps has changed a lot in the past few years. Heck, you don't even get kicked out for smoking pot anymore. All you get is NJP unless it's your second time. If you ask me, the Corps is a bit softer than it use to be. There are still plenty of gung ho devildogs out there though.

P.S. Dark Horizon, always remember that in boot camp, you're a recruit until you finish the climb the reaper or do whatever they do at PI. Don't even think about giving an "oohrah," unless you feel like being thrashed. Good luck at MCRD.

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Cmdr. John Clark

GCV-Transcendence

The more we sweat in peace time, the less we bleed in war time.

[Wolferz]

Avant, I was one of Uncle Sam's Boy Scouts.

So what is the proper address for Marine DI's? Sir?

In the Army, you always addressed Drills as Sergeant. And heaven help the poor Joe who addressed a Female Drill as Ma'am. That one usually invoked alot of screaming, spitting, and general Buck Private butt ripping.

"I WORK FOR A LIVING YOU PIECE OF *&^%!!!" Was the standard response.

The only difference that I could ever see between the Marines and the Army was the method of delivery. Marines take the boat with the Navy, while all us Army Joes fly in with the Air Force. But once we both hit the ground, it's butt kickin' time!

Now considering the way the Gulf War was fought, do we really need ground troops anymore?

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Cmdr H. T. Wolferz

GCV-Kentucky, GALCOMHQ (EARTH)

Prime Fleet - Beta Wing

[Guest aramike01]

quote:

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Now considering the way the Gulf War was fought, do we really need ground troops anymore?

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Check your Gulf War history, Soldier. Your damned right we need ground troops!!!

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Vice Admiral Michael Kristophers

ICV-Intrepid, Spectre (Antis)

Fleet Leader

Spectre Fleet

Official Tester, Battlecruiser Series

You can only love or hate what you truly understand!

[Gallion]

quote:

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...Uncle Sam's Boy Scouts...

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Only boy scouts in the .mil is them wingnuts.

DI's in the Army are addressed as Drill Sergeant.

quote:

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...Now considering the way the Gulf War was fought, do we really need ground troops anymore?

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Duh!! The delivery of massive amounts of ordinance is paramont to quick, decisive victories and total annihilation of the enemy. The Ultimate weapon, aka the Infantry, will never be replaced by any technological marvel that comes down the road. Possession of real estate is what determines the victor in any armed conflict. IOW ground troops will always be required in a war. For the price of one tommahawk, I can get a squad of the ultimate weapon and create more havoc and mayhem then any tech device can - aside from strategic devices.

Food for thought to a retorical question.

TTFN

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Fleet Commander Gallion

(Pro Tem)

GCV Graf Spee, Starbase Cerberus

Fleet Leader - Wraith Fleet (Pro Tem)

Wing Leader - Wraith Fleet/Corsair Wing

"Run Silent, Run Deep"

Corsair Cove

Official Tester, Battlecruiser Series

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[Wolferz]

Check your Gulf War history, Soldier. Your damned right we need ground troops!!!

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I was there.

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DI's in the Army are addressed as Drill Sergeant

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Not my Drill Instructors.

Ft Leonard Wood Mo.

Whenever you spoke to one, you started and ended a sentence with the word Sergeant, unless the Sergeant you were addressing was a First Sergeant or a Sergeant Major.

The final arguement, yes I agree. Winning a battle does require occupation of the piece of terra firma in question.

SoDam Insane had lots of the so called "perfect weapon", and we scattered them all over the desert using mostly aircraft.

Now if the enemy wants that piece of land, but they can't take possession of it due to frequent attacks from the air, wouldn't you agree that owning the airspace above also gives ownership of the ground below?

There wasn't a great deal of infantry used in the Gulf War. The U.S. doesn't use those types of tactics anymore. It was all Armor, Cavalry, Artillery, and the most important guys of all.. Combat Engineers.

Most of the positions the Iraqi's occupied were already destroyed by air assets before the ground forces arrived. All we found was smoking holes and a few bewildered Iraqi conscripts who more than willing to give up. Some still wearing the same civilian clothing they had on when they were snatched off the streets of Baghdad.

The most interesting prisoner captured said (in a thick New York accent) "It's about time youse guys showed up!"

I digress. Counterpoint?

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Cmdr H. T. Wolferz

GCV-Kentucky, GALCOMHQ (EARTH)

Prime Fleet - Beta Wing

[Guest aramike01]

Counter point incoming!!!

quote:

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I was there.

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Me too.

quote:

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Now if the enemy wants that piece of land, but they can't take possession of it due to frequent attacks from the air, wouldn't you agree that owning the airspace above also gives ownership of the ground below?

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Agreed. To an extent. What if you want a piece of land? You can't quite control the territory (especially civilians) with air ordinance. Aircraft, in actuality, is no good for defense and control of land, only destruction. Destruction is the means of war, the end is control, which is dependant upon the gritty guys getting there. The Gulf skews itself a bit because of the huge amount of desert real estate involved. But keep in mind something - while the air campaign was nothing less than dominating, in the end, they still needed a ground assault.

Also, using air combat exclusively, you can't take prisoners, thus, you really can't achieve total, uncontested surrender. And in todays world, annihalation isn't an option (politics considered). So, ground troops become even more essential.

Even a better argument: Nazi Germany destroyed London during a year long bombing campaign. But they never defeated England? Why? Because they never got ground troops over there. Yes, that may be out of date for an example, but the only real difference is technology. Now, we can target whatever with computers. Then, they couldn't. But in the end, the Nazi'z destroyed a city, but never the fighting spirit. Nor the fight. Ground troops could've done that.

Counter-argument?

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Vice Admiral Michael Kristophers

ICV-Intrepid, Spectre (Antis)

Fleet Leader

Spectre Fleet

Official Tester, Battlecruiser Series

You can only love or hate what you truly understand!

[Steele]

Let me put it this way:

Infantry is like the peasants in a chess-game: You can hardly win only with them, but

you definitely can't win without them.

PVT (German rank: Gefreiter) Gero Diegner,

1st Tracked AAA-Bataillon 111,

Achim, Germany

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Commander Steele

GCV Terra Kresta, Wraith HQ (Lyrius)

Wraith Fleet/SIN Wing

Stealth - the only thing between you and your enemy's guns

[ShoHashi]

quote:

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My best advice for boot camp is just suck everything up and keep on charging. Boot Camp isn't really that hard once if you think about it. The Corps has changed a lot in

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Especially if you go to MCRD San Diego! Heck those guys are issued sunglasses and suntan lotion!

Just kidding, Avant Garde!

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Commodore ShoHashi

ICV Aries, New Frontier (Rinaal)

Station Commander, New Frontier

Bishamon Fleet

ICQ 484321

[email protected]

"You can only love or hate something you truly understand."

[Avant Garde]

Hey! At least we ain't humping on flat ground.

Good luck there DarkHorizon, if you're not at MEPS yet.

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Cmdr. John Clark

GCV-Transcendence

The more we sweat in peace time, the less we bleed in war time.

[Guest]

Thanks guys. The info was very informative. And yes I'll be going to boot in San Diego to be a future grunt. Wish me luck. Any last minute words would be appreciated.

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Cmdr. Kron

ICV Darkness, Spectre HQ (Antis)

Spectre Fleet

[Hugo Pinheiro]

Good Luck in Camp.

You are going to need it.

Now for the last topic:

Grunts are Necessary- no discution.

Grunts are no longer needed- also true.

Its a dualaty that lifes in this time, right now its a combination! The best example isn't Desert Storm, but KOSOVO. It was an Air Campaign; nothing more. And "we" won; to an extent.

In the end we had what we wanted the application of ground forces in the field; but they did not fight, they did not Kill and they did not DIE!!!

Grunts are being less and less needed; war is only for experts; there's no room for "GRIEND MEAT" only professionals with years of pratice; minds of geniuses; and will of Iron. That is very rare in these days, Professional Soldiers!!!

Hope to have given some light in this mater cuss i could go on all night!!!

Navy Gen. Pinheiro

Military Tactian

Student of HyperWar

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