Starfighter08 Posted June 8, 2001 Report Posted June 8, 2001 This forum being a meeting place for people who are interested in many aspects of society including politics, economics, history and of course warfare (we are all commanding our own battlecruisers); I propose this thread to be about the great work written about 2500 years ago by Sun tsu about the art of war. Maybe somebody had experiences during the game he feels could be analyzed with the concepts of that book, or we could discuss how they apply to today's warfare or that of BC. Being a place where commanders and admirals can be found I assume that some of you have read that masterpiece too. If not I strongly recommend it as a step towards becoming that successful leader personality we all would like to be (or alreay are). Besides it's not just about some weird theory, it could also help you in everyday's struggles like on the job, with your wife etc.It would certainly meet the guidelines stated in the "read this first thread" and make the SC proud. Anybody interested?
Menchise Posted June 8, 2001 Report Posted June 8, 2001 There is a very famous sentence from that book, but I can't remember the exact wording of it. Something about knowing when to fight, and when not to fight. Do you know what it is?
Starfighter08 Posted June 8, 2001 Author Report Posted June 8, 2001 Don't know exactly which one you mean. Btw I read the German version so I think a translation could be crappy (I say this because you asked for the exact wording wich I can't provide, sorry) . Somebodey else?
Guest Mikel Posted June 8, 2001 Report Posted June 8, 2001 I've only got the abridged version of it, but here it is: quote: Those who know when to fight and when not to fight are victorious.
Guest Posted June 8, 2001 Report Posted June 8, 2001 its one of my most treasured books..right besides shogun, dune and my vast collection of anime
Guest Mikel Posted June 9, 2001 Report Posted June 9, 2001 Tac: Shogun, as in the one that has Blackthorne aka Anjin-san?
Guest yak Posted June 9, 2001 Report Posted June 9, 2001 "One Who knows when he can fight, and when he cannot fight, will be victorious"The first of the five factors from which victory can be known. Planning Offensives, Sun-tzu
Starfighter08 Posted June 10, 2001 Author Report Posted June 10, 2001 Are there other similar books? If heard something about "five rings" anybody read this?
Steve Schacher Posted June 11, 2001 Report Posted June 11, 2001 My copy is a version that was written as a doctorate thesis by some colonel. It is a fascinating version because it is footnoted all over with various interpretations for passages based on how one interprets the specific Chinese glyph character. It also includes footnotes from other Chinese scholors who commented on the book over the centuries regarding their interpretations of the passages.My copy is: Sun Tzu - The Art of War, by Samuel B. Griffith. Oxford University Press c. 1963 ISBN: 0-19-501476-6[ 06-11-2001: Message edited by: Steve Schacher ]
Starfighter08 Posted June 13, 2001 Author Report Posted June 13, 2001 Sounds interesting. Thanks for the hint.
Guest Shingen Posted June 13, 2001 Report Posted June 13, 2001 quote:Are there other similar books? If heard something about "five rings" anybody read this?GO-RIN-NO-SHO or The Book of Five Rings was, I believe, written by Miyamoto Musashi, one of Japan's greatest Swordsmen. It was more a book of swordmenship, and samurai ethics, not really a book of warfare like Tzu Sun's The Art of WarHere is an online excerpt of Tzu Sun's masterpiece: The Art of War.Here is an online excerpt of Musashi's masterpeice The Book of Five RingsI hope this helps
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