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quote:Originally posted by Cmdr Jeffery Eu: 4 weeks, WTF are you still around here? Anyway, have read the history, I guess it's alright for now. I think we might need to change the history later. hehe, can't help... quote: Yes, could you clear me for the web site so that I can upload the logos that I have designed, so that we can choose an appropriate one. Sent you a private message (look at your profile), since my mail doesn't work at the moment. Let me know what you've changed, otherwise I might accidentally overwrite it when I'm uploading files. About the directors. Can't we try to interest at least 1 person per branch, instead of 1 director per division? Might be easier. For example, I could be director for the traders division, and interim director for the commercial and paramedic divisions until someone volunteers. [ 08-18-2001: Message edited by: Riga ]

I'm back again. My girlfriend came back after 4 week, so I had some other priorities Jeffery, good too hear that you have some proposed logo's. Personally I'm terrible with gfx, so I didn't want to start drawing any. Let me know if you have found a location where you can put them. If not, then let me know, I'll clear www.stormpages.com/intercorp for you. I just added some content there, but nothing definite yet, just a placeholder (BTW, the banners are killing me, they are added automagically ). About us sending stuff to tacops. What would they expect us to send? EDIT: Jeffery, I added some history to the webpage, and included you in it at some point. Can you have a look and see if it is acceptable or not? If not, I will change it [ 08-18-2001: Message edited by: Riga ]

Welcome Elio quote:Originally posted by Malleus Malefictorum: Independants Unite!!! heh, don't bother, he already choose!

quote:Originally posted by Malleus Malefictorum: 4) We probably should set up some kind of system to stop the corp working against the corp. It would suck and be bad for business, to have say the merc div. taking out trader div. ships or the like. Uhm, that's where directors come in. They are supposed to deal with the inter-division stuff. As for merc div. taking out trader div. ships? This cannot be since the division only has members, no ships. At least the trader's charter (nobody commented yet, so I'll live by it for the time being) doesn't look further than the launchpad of its base. Whatever you do out there in space is all up to you. You're an indie for a reason! quote: 5) There should be a standard discount for interdivision hiring. Cheaper escorts for the Traders, more work for the Mercs, and more profit for the company. Any suggestions? This is how I see it: - If you are a member of a division, then it will try to get you the most benificial deal (possibly at a discount). E.g. You're a trader and go to the trader's division. - if you are member of the corporation and go to another division then it tries to do the same, but less. E.g. you're a merc and go to the trader's division. - You're not a member and it will cost you a bundle. Not happy with prices over at the other division but you're a member? Well, get to your own division. This also discourages merc's to go the the assassins base to get a job, and vice versa. Much safer! Just a thought though... quote: 7) Riga, like the ranking system. What are the benefits though? Greater discounts on parts and ammo maybe? Might be, did not give it much thought yet, but it's a good idea.

quote:Originally posted by Epsilon 5: With the contract profits only? Can you buy "respect" by giving 1-2 milions to the division? We do take donations

quote:Originally posted by Cmdr Nova: Update: Just went to the Intercorp Site! Hehe, Hitman Incorporated!!! I think the name's gonna drive off those high-paying customers. [ 08-14-2001: Message edited by: Cmdr Nova ] hehe, just a placeholder, need's some _minor_ adjustments No really, needs some serious work, just wanted to have a working starting point. Need to cordinate things with the others as well (Jeffery, input?) As I see it, it can be the site for the traders division, or be the overall site containing all divisions. Dunno, need to speak to the others about that.

Congrats from me as well. Did a better job than I did, I'm still trying to convince my girlfriend, but she's more of the 'why marry?, we've got a good life like this' type of gal. Wish you both the best.

Kind of forgot about this one. Structure of the traders division: Note that this is an achievement/experience based hierarchy, nothing to do with leadership! Exception are the "Chairman" and the "Director", which (also) have an administrative role. The amounts mentioned below can be in credits or their equivalent in goods (just thought them up, so they are subject to change). "Director" (that would be me) - Has a seat in the corporation's board of directors - Responsible for running daily operations at the divisions base of operations. - Responsible for inter-division contacts/activities - Responsible for assisting a member to the next level (e.g. a junior trader to trader level). "Chairman of the Board" (job's still open) - Assistant to the director. Aids in daily operations and inter-division relations and activities. - Replaces the Director when not present for longer periods of time - Responsible for assisting members to the next level. "Partner" - Senior Trader that has earned the division at least 6.400.000 - has successfully travelled at least 3 new/difficult trade routes - has demonstrated 'experience' by assisting at least 2 members to the next level. "Senior Trader" - someone that successfully completes several trading runs and earned the division at least 1.600.000. - someone that successfully travelled 1 new or difficult trade route. "Trader" - someone that succesfully completes several trading runs and earned the division at least 400.000 credits. "Junior Trader" - someone that just applied for membership and has recently been reassigned from the HR division to the trader's division. The experience level influences the way that members are treated by the division. The more lucrative/dangerous deals tend to be given to the more experienced members. However, when a junior trader is the only one that is present then it is given to him/her. Naturally one is free to refuse it and wait for a less dangerous deal. Non members are treated as junior members but do not climb in the hierarchy. ----------------- As always, comments are welcomed.

quote:Originally posted by aramike: Hehe, that's because its a premium service with all the fixings. Where do you think PrimeFleet.com is being hosted? hehe, my division must work on its profit margin first (expenses, expenses...)!

Got some webspace for Intercorp Unlimited http://www.stormpages.com/intercorp/ (Sorry Aramike, but your suggestion seems to cost some $15 per month ) Well, nothing special, needs _lots_ of work, but at least something is there.

Now, as far as the trader division's charter is concerned, here it goes. Mind that it is only a first draft, any comments are welcome BEGIN CHARTER "Commodity Inc, an Intercorp Division" Commodity Inc. assists in the exchange of goods, safe transport and negotiations concerning price and deliverance on behalf of its members, provides contacts with persons qualified/able to escort trading vessels and providing a base to exchange goods at. Due to the independent nature of the parties involved Commodity Inc. does not resolve disputes and does not pass judgement over events outside of its base. Once a settlement is reached Commodity Inc. and one or both parties leave the base, then the division is no longer responsible for any actions performed by either party. Disputes are to be settled by the parties involved themselves or by other, higher, authorities if these can be found. Commodity Inc's base provides a safe haven for those that are present, thus enabling trading parties to conduct business in a safe environment. Any misconducting person will be expelled by force. The sphere of influence of Commodity Inc. only encompasses the base itself. All members of Commodity Inc., with the exception of the Director, are only bound by the divisions rules and rulings as long as they are at one of the corporation bases. Outside its base all members are acting as independents, following nobody's rule but their own. Commodity Inc. requires a commision of 4% of the involved the transaction, with a minimum of 50.000, for every deal that is closed with direct help of the division. The penalty for noncompliance is to be expelled from Commodity Inc. The fee is to be paid within 2 weeks. Members are aquitted from this free if a party that is introduced by Commodity Inc. does not keep its end of the bargain (of which the member must provide proof). Any earnings made by the division are to be invested in the divisions infrastructure and/or operations. At least 75% of the earnings must be spend in direct support of its members. END CHARTER I will wait with the commercial and paramedic charters until this one is fleshed out a bit. PS: Thanks aramike, I'll check it out (webspace)

quote:Originally posted by jstuart: Sounds like quite an interesting undertaking! A Corporation where contracts/jobs/services and or other things FOR A PRICEare provided! Those who are in the corp get a better prices for there services, those who are not, still can find work but for not the best price. A logo, a website and home base of operations, sounds great! A charter for the Corp to follow; don't make it to technical, we are Independents, we answer to know one, that's why we didn't join a fleet. For the whole part, a division of castes or soughts is ok, but too much organization makes us more like a fleet. But the diversity in races will keep us apart. For example: If I have a contract (all hypotheticcl), and I am returning to say home base, and I see a couple of Gammulan ships beating up a Galcom Terran trader vessel, because I am a Terran, by choice, and yet the Galcom is in the Corporation, who is to say, I can't open fire on the Gammulan vessels and save the Terran Galcom vessels in order to make a buck, because I am a Mercenary? And Interesting point? Does that then get me in trouble with the Corp and possibly a bounty on my head? All in all, count me in. AFAIK, what happens outside the corporation's base(s) is none of my concernes. If however some gammulan survivor decides to put a bounty on your head... Hey, what can I do? Welcome aboard.

quote:Originally posted by Paddy Gregory: OK Riga, thanks. I think I get the idea a bit better now. I see the incentive for becoming a member, but what's in it for the coorporation itself? More customers at reduced rates? I've scribbled down most of the details, but that's on my computer at home. Will post that tonight. In short, the corporation gets a fee for their services. Most of that will be invested again in the corporation (infrastructure, information supply, communications, etc) so that members can benefit even more. The remaining part... Well, directors need a salary as well quote: Then that makes sense, as long as the coorporation (can't you think of a better description; association? society? union?) SC calls it a corporation, who am I to call it something else quote: What about the merc and raider / assassin conflict I mentioned before? I would hate to check the job boards and see a contract out on myself, with half-a-dozen mercs waiting for me (having just checked the board themselves) once I leave the safety of a station. AFAIK, raiders are not part of the corporation (maybe the other directors will allow them). The the merc/assassin conflict remains. Both parties are not in the same division, and if the are smart on a different base! Now for seeing your name on the jobs boards. Disclosure normally only after you accept the job quote: And Riga, you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours, deal? Scratch my back with what? A gun? Then again... Sure, why not!

quote:Originally posted by Paddy Gregory: I'm all for that, but would I have to be a member of this Coorporation to take advantage of it? It just seemed that some people were getting bogged down in an all-governing body with a set organisation and leadership, which to me is the antithesis of an independant way of life. If it boils down to a loose association whicj facilitates picking up spare parts, contracts etc, then that's fine. To me it doesn't make sense to have say mercs and raiders part of the same organisation when they would probably be out to kick $hit out of each other for a good part of the time. As I see it, you do not have to be a member. The corporation is an entity that does not control its members, merely provides services and support where needed. If you are not a member the corporation is still prepared to help you (at a greater price though ) Yes, the corporation and its divisions have a set organisation and leadership. However, that only applies to the corporation itself and its assets, but _not_ to its members. On the other hand. If you enter one of its bases, then you are to adhere to the local rules (no military spacevessels allowed, station defense are!) On the other hand, if you're low on cash and you are looking for a lucrative contract, then you do not have to look far, just stop by at one of our divisions. Being a member might give you an edge because all available information is relayed sooner or the right persons are tracked more easily. Still, it's your choice. I have no objection to helping you out even if you're not a member. That will earn me more...

quote:Originally posted by Malleus Malefictorum: I had said Board of Directors, because it had been posted that their shouldn't be one person it charge of the whole shebang. I would volunteer for the mercs division, but I haven't had enough time around the game yet. Which brings up another point, Raiders should NOT be included in a corp. Similar to having a thievery division. Hmm, I'm still an Ensign and basically just fiddling around. If I make a mistake, one of the veterans will correct me and I'll just (try to) listen what they have to say. Just go for it. The Merc division is waiting for you (unless you want it Jeffery, I actually do not know your caste ) EDIT: Jeffery is a merc. Well, let's see who's prepared to pay to kill the other About caste exclusion. I think that both Raiders and Police cannot be part of the corporation. If you want to be a 'raiding' member, just become a merc. Having the police in the corporation creates conflict of interest issues. [ 08-14-2001: Message edited by: Riga ]

quote:Originally posted by Cmdr Jeffery Eu: Riga, my man, I could kiss you. You're welcome to be the first Director of Services . Just tell me how you want to organise your division, okay? I've been working on some material, but it's still on my home computer, so I'll post that tonight. I've been working on a charter for traders, a ranking system (experience based, not authority based). quote: Yes, I intend to start a RP thread so that we carve the organisation's history into part of the BC lore. I've been investigating Desylva's RP timeline, and I think I have found the proper times in which we can 'setup shop'. quote: I also intend to set up a web site for the organisation however, that's still up in the air Let us just get some webspace where we can put 'future home of Intercorp Unlimited', and work from there. quote: I think we should try to fill up all the Director positions first before we start going into RP and a website. But that doesn't mean that you can't start working out how you want things done Okidoki, but let's not wait until all director posts are filled for the RP to start. Maybe wait until 3 or 4 are filled in. Starting a RP thread might just draw enough attention for someone to _become_ a director. quote: I forgot to mention one other thing all members can be volunteer trainers in the HR Division if they want to. This will enable constant players to help any newbie if they so desire. The more, the better

quote:Originally posted by Cmdr Nova: *applauds* Keep it going guys! On a side note, I don't recall me saying anything about a board of directors, but oh well...... Never mind, seems to become accepted terminology BTW, Malleus was the first to use it. [ 08-13-2001: Message edited by: Riga ]

Like I said, count me in. 'Intercorp Unlimited' sounds good to me. Now, to avoid doing things that you are already preparing; You propose 9 divisions in 5 branches (excludng the HR division). I could try to write a charter for the Services branch (commercial/trader/paramedic). Let me know if you haven't done so already. About the corporation history (and its place in RP/MP): Is it possible to start a rp thread about the foundation of the corporation? It would give everybody a chance to shape the corporations history. As I see it, if we can create a history in RP then the corporation's use in MP/GCO can be derived from that. I've got some ideas about that. Nothing definite, I'm still researching Desilva's timeline. Interested? Contact me ([email protected]). EDIT: added email, guess it's in my profile, but this is easier. Hey someone rated me [ 08-13-2001: Message edited by: Riga ]

Fair enough.

quote: For one thing, when you log on to a BCM server, you have to choose your race, caste and then fleet/corp/none etc. Which then determine which crafts you have access to. What corporations would be available to choose from. Will you make them up, or can we create one or more and these will be included in the list?

quote:Originally posted by Malleus Malefictorum: I don't think anyone was saying you had to wait until you had five members onboard before a corp or division could be started. Just that once membership was up you should have that many people in control. One person should not be in control of a corp. A division would be ok, since the "board of directors" have overiding authority. No problem then. Thanks for clarifying it. Now, as for Commander Eu's call for indie commanders to join a corporation: count me in!

quote:Originally posted by aramike: I don't see why that is necessary. There CAN be multiple corporations, but why can't each division be such as a fleet wing with its own leadership? Right, I think I see what you mean. Its just that I'm concerned about the board of directors which consists of minimally 5 persons (as was suggested). If, for example, a corporation is allowed with a corporate division for traders and that division can be composed of only 1 trader, then the problem does not exist. Other traders can then join at a later stage and I do not have to wait until I can interest other traders. About having 1 leader for a corporation; The division falls under the 'control' of the overall corporation so that is not the case either. If I misunderstood, please let me know

quote:Originally posted by aramike: Malleus was right: you should separate it by caste. Like corporate divisions or something of that effect. True, but something is to be said for creating a mixed caste corporation when not enough people of one caste are prepared to set up a caste specific corporation. Having said that, as soon as enough people of one caste are part of this mixed corporation they _must_ separate and create one of their own. This way a new commander can be part of a corporation more quickly. This way the mixed corporation would be a breeding ground for caste specific corporations. It would always remain rather small because when, for instance, the number of mercs grows to 5, then they would leave and setup show elsewhere. Just a thought though... quote: Now, I see no problem with the corporation actually owning such assets as transports that have no military capabilities. We just have to make sure that the corporation has NO military capability itself. Sure, if it wants to perform a military operation against another military organization it can -- but it would have to hire the people to do so. Unless this military capabilities are focused on defending their station. I guess be no military capabilities you mean spaceships? [ 08-11-2001: Message edited by: Riga ]

quote:Originally posted by Count_Sessine: General information: I preordered with BMT (I live Europe) back in june, and now a couple of days ago they just re-credited my Visacard with the money I paid for the preorder because they said the release date was unknown at this time. I had the same, but it also stated that they would automatically credit my card again when BCM ships.

A BC has ground radar, so wouldn't get too close with that ATV. You can always get to a BC undetected by letting your marines dig a tunnel, breach the hull and take over the ship Using the transporter to beam a few of these guys aboard a BC would work fine I guess