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quote:Originally posted by kalniel: Might consider a trader though, at least on the outside... Heh, that's when you start talking to your friendly neighbourhood Intercorp representative... Sure, In terms of "fleet" size, the indies have next to nothing. They are just a bunch of guys that happen to exists in the same universe. On the other hand, there is an effort to change that (at least a bit). Intercorp Unlimited is on its way (At least I hope) and that will bring together at least some of the indies. Having said that, do not underestimate the indie community. There are quite a few of us, and some of them quite active. Unfortunately I do not feel that I should try to recruit you and for the time being leave that up to the fleets since, at this moment there is no corporation! However, you could join in founding one. Great challenge, and yes, we need people that have all kinds of talents. [courcion mode off]

Eh, just a question: Are you RP'ing in the other thread or telling a story (i.e. is it a one man show or can others join in). btw: nice journals.

quote:Originally posted by Cmdr Nova: Hmmm.... Maybe. We're still thinking about an auxillary service with Indies...... Ah, i haven't read the entire thread, just the last post (at least at this point in time), but Blades is right about you (wise words). Just drop us a line if you need us (provided that we get Intercorp off the ground by that time, otherwise... I'm an indie looking for work now aren't I? Just like you say to us on numerous occasions: Keep up the good work!

quote:Originally posted by Rico Jansen: Well, if they are leaking it anyway, why loose money on it. Why not offer discounts when you have people willing to fill in "We know where you went today"-forms. That's a way to get an idea where everyone is going. Like supplying screenshots from the tradcom infopage through email or something. Or just through chat/comm channel. [ 08-29-2001: Message edited by: Rico Jansen ] Now, that's a very good idea about the mail/chat. Ever considered a career change? Thanks for the idea.

Ok, I feel the urge to reply here: MG, you're looking for a fleet, but... quote: Heres what I'm looking for. A fleet that can handle my charming personality (Bite me) A fleet that can handle my tact ($&%# Off), A fleet that can handle my manners (are you gonna finish that?) I know the fleet's recruitment officers are probably steaking your house out and are watching your every move. You can apply for one of the fleets, but you'll have to abide with their regime. If you can handle that, by all means join one of them. I know some guys over at Orion and they are great guys (does this earn me a contract or two??). On the other hand, as an indie you do not have to answer to anyone. Your charming personality, tact or manners might offend someone, but you do not have to change your behavior, just find another client or victim (depending on your caste). Ehh, just stay well away from the person you offended, especially when he has more firepower than you have. As a merc you can have at least a cruiser and you might get a heavy cruiser (does anyone know for sure?) so you've got some reasonable firepower. Its actually nice to be hired by a trader to escort him and shoot the sh*t of of a bunch of raiders Climbing the ladder? We'll we're still looking for directors over at Intercorp. Merc and Trader are already occupied, but the co-director's places are still open. Read the Organisation thread on what intercorp is all about and also Know your role in 'Misc. Race/Caste Affiliations' Whatever you choose, choose wisely, you're stuck with it in MP! EDIT: always get this quotes wrong [ 08-29-2001: Message edited by: Riga ]

hmm, both picture work fine for me

First of all, thanks Rico for putting the charter to the test. Now just a single comment (I let Jeffery reply to your questions, I'm kind of pressed for time at the moment) quote: Which brings me to the question of membership. If I wanted to use your company's services I know why I would want to be a member. Cheap rates. But why does the corporation need members. It would have a better profitmargin on non-members. .... And perhaps this is also what triggered my "keep the freedom" response. Why link people to you when there is no appearant reason. People will come to you when they need a job/service, or have spare time to waste. Or am I missing something obvious? Well, one of the reasons I (the trader's division) would like to have members is information. I would like to chart certain aspects of the galaxy. Where to get the goods, what are safe routes, how to behave when encountering Orion (No Nova, I did not forget ). It would be ridiculous to do this on my own. That's where the members have added value to the division. They travel a lot, encounter all sorts of situations and can report this to the division. Nothing obligatory though, but these guys always tend to leak information Well, at least that's my (still incomplete) view on the subject

I've updated the intercorp webpages to include most of the stuff i've already produced. It looks much better now The corporation's charter is not yet included, but you can read it in the forum. It also includes Jefferies logo's, but I kept the old location as well. Nova & Jeffery: Glad you like it. Jeffery: Maybe we should post things to tacops 'piecemeal' so that they do not get tons of material at once. What about sending the charter, see what they say, correct it where needed, and that take the next step (yes, I know, I'm impatient...)

quote:Originally posted by $iLk: j/k Riga, I was once on the road to becoming an indie too, till I got corrupted by the fleet types... and I'm even in a position of some importance... Well, I like the indie life just fine, and about the position of importance: Director of an entire division (even if it is self-appointed, not official and a one-man operation) doesn't sound bad to me... quote: So please don't send your terminator Rigabot after me... Rigabot is currently on a training course to become a fulltime deskjockey in my tradingpost in AW. [ 08-28-2001: Message edited by: Riga ]

quote:Originally posted by Cmdr Nova: If you be a man, and join an elite fleet, on the other hand ... I resent that remark...

quote:Originally posted by Cmdr Jeffery Eu: Riga, the charter looks fine for now. In fact, it's a great charter. We might have to refine it later Ok? Guess so, it's still a draft

Hey Jeffery, in your reply you just described the role of Intercorp in RP/MP. Save that file!!! Agree to the charter? Please comment. As I see it: Logo (we have a view) - available Charter - Intercorp - available Charter - Commodity Inc. - available RP/MP purpose - needs refinement We're getting there... PS: I'll change your logo page on the website so that it is in the same style as the other pages.

Ok, bad joke, no hard feelings Welcome aboard. (Orion, still want this guy? Otherwise I might interest him in creating the janitorial division of Intercorp Unlimited).

The corporation's charter... Finally. It's more or less dirived from the traders charter. This version implies that I must make slight changes to the traders charter (including Rico's comment) As always, comments are welcome and remember... it's just a draft. CHARTER Intercorp Unlimited Intercorp Unlimited assists in the exchange of services and goods, safe transport, negotiations concerning price and deliverance on behalf of its members, provides contacts with persons qualified/able to provide services. The corporation aims to create well known locations where said services can be offered and/or purchased safely. The corporation consists of a board of directors and members. The directors are responsible for outlining its strategy. The members have no obligation and are not bound to rules or orders. Due to the independent nature of the parties involved Intercorp Unlimited does not resolve disputes and does not pass judgement over events outside of its base. Once a settlement is reached and one or both parties leave the base then Intercorp Unlimited is no longer responsible for any actions performed by either party. Disputes are to be settled by the parties involved themselves or by other, higher, authorities if these can be found. Intercorp Unlimited provides bases that function as safe haven for those that are present, thus creating a safe environment in which business can be conducted. Any misconducting person will be removed by force. The sphere of influence of Intercorp Unlimited only encompasses its bases. The corporation does not deny non members any services as long as this does not interfere with the interests of the corporation or one of its members. Costs for non members are always twice as high as for members. Intercorp Unlimited requires a commision of 4% for each transaction, with a minimum of 50.000, for every deal that is closed with direct help of the corporation. The penalty for noncompliance is to be expelled from all Intercorp Unlimited's divisions. The fee is to be paid within 2 weeks. Members are aquitted from this free if a party that is introduced by Intercorp Unlimited does not keep its end of the bargain (of which the member must provide proof). If the same thing happens to a non member then the corporation only requires half the commision as a token of good will towards this person. Any earnings made by the corporation are to be invested in the corporation's infrastructure and/or operations. 80% of the earnings of a division is invested back into that division, which in turn invest at least 75% to support their members. END CHARTER [ 08-28-2001: Message edited by: Riga ] [ 08-28-2001: Message edited by: Riga ]

quote:Originally posted by Cmdr Nova: So far, no one's successfully made a guild. InterCorp Unlimited is getting close, though. You know something I don't? Seriously, getting one of these corporations together will cost you a lot of time and effort, discussions (using the forum) with more experienced people and above all, a lot of research (how to fit into everything that already exist) Back (sort of) on topic: Somehow I do not see SC or tacops approve of a janitorial corporation. So if he want to be a part of anything then he can join a fleet or become an indie. I would even let him be a member of Intercorp (Provided that he clarifies his statement, I totally agree with $ilk point - and yours for that matter). quote: So! Ready for some Fleeting? Or are you going to take your chances with those crazy Indies? Being an indie is not _that_ bad, you should know! [ 08-27-2001: Message edited by: Riga ]

quote:Originally posted by Rico Jansen: Why don't you guys start a small temporary workforce business first. And then businesses of different natures will spawn based on emerging needs by other people. That was more or less what I had in mind to start with but as this topic went on the consensus (as I understand it) was that one needed a corporation with at least x 'leaders', where x was at least 5. Now, the divisions can be compared to fleet's wings, and can be headed (and be composed) of 1 person. I've been concentrating on the trader's division, and frankly, if the corporation is allowed to be smaller, and grow from there then I'll be _very_ happy (anyone cares to comment on this?). For instance, Jeffery heads the Merc's division, I'll head the Trader's division. The corporation would have 2 directors (rather small, but not 1 single person at the helm) and 2 divisions where interested players can go to. Furthermore, the other interested players can erect a not already existing division. quote:...and most of all, keep the freedom in it. People will be looking mostly for a one-of task, not a continuous job placement I think. I think I was very explicit in the charter about that. People are free to do as they choose. Worst thing that can happen to them is being expelled from the corporation. Well, guess they take/get their business somewhere else then. just for emphasis: they are indies, they _remain_ indies! edit: AFAIK its different if you want to be a director. You're an indie, but dedicated to the division. Otherwise, what's the division about, what's its fabric? I think that largely depends on the director (and co-director if one exists). quote: Also, who says the stucture of an organisation can't change over time. Since there are hardly any indies speeking up now, no need to expect them pooring in the human resources office during the next months or whenever MP get's done. Perhaps even business mergers, split-ups (Microsoft, anyone?) or even lay-offs could happen in the future. Capitalism has allways seen businesses in flux, right? I hear you and totally agree. A lot of the corporation's dealings depends on outside influences. A fleet may want something done, a trader wants to contract a merc, etc. It's not in the corporations control. Moreover, the corporation's focus is on its members. They can change their mind, so the corporation has to adapt. Moreover, the balance of power in a part of the galaxy might change. Again, the corporation has to adapt. So many dynamics, it's almost impossible for the corporation to be a large _static_ organisation. [pouring my brains out mode off] [ 08-27-2001: Message edited by: Riga ]

Been friday, and still no charter. Well, guess I've missed my self imposed deadline. Been very busy, and am currently just popping in and out to check the forum. About the charter: Nothing official yet (hopefully on monday I've got something in writing ). If I compare the corporation with fleets then the fleets have some distinct advantages. They are structure/command based. Say, Rattler wants Menchise to do something, then he will send Menchise an order. As I see it he'll put together some transmission, send it and waits for the reply. Peer to peer communication? This is harder for indies. Now, let us assume that Jeffery (merc) is looking for a new client. Currently he has to roam the galaxy in search for one. Having a corporation removes that need. 'Peer-to-Corporation-to-Peer' can be offered on an anonymous basis using the corporation. That's the number one priority for the corporation, and its reason for being. Similar to the fleet example above: Jeffery needs a contract. He sends 'an order' to his client via the corparation. The client is still anonymous and Jeffery is put into contact with him. Order here is used in the comparible sense, it's not that he's ordering _someone_ to do something!!! Well, just a thought. Hope to get this (and related subjects?) in writing soon. As always, feedback is welcome.

Ok, here's mine: Disorder Rating Paranoid: Low Schizoid: Low Schizotypal: Moderate Antisocial: Low Borderline: Low Histrionic: Low Narcissistic: Moderate Avoidant: Low Dependent: Low Obsessive-Compulsive: Low

quote:Originally posted by Sidargo: Hehe ... just because its SECURE and you can recycle your old machines (Fileservers are Pentium-90 and Pentium-133 with 128 MB RAM each and a total capacity of 90 GBs built from 10 old SCSI HDs ... The Router/FW/Proxy is a 486 DX 2/66 with 32 MB RAM and a 500 MB HD. Network is 10/100 MBit with 5 PCs -> Switch -> Router -> DSL-Modem Our external firewall runs RedHat 6.2. it's an old 386 ? Mhz, 16 Mb edo ram and a 200+ Mb hardisk. Still I get transfer rates of up to 800-900 Kb/sec. How's that?

We've got Red Hat here. A few are still running 5.2, but the majority runs on 7.0 We've been running slackware in the past (we started back in 1992 with a pre 1.0 kernel). I'm happy with it. Had to patch the development environment a bit. We had problems with the compiler, had to downgrade it manually (download source, recompile, install). Other than that, not too many problems.

Jeffery, due to RL demands I cannot currently complete the stuff I promised. Hope to post it by friday.

quote:Originally posted by Rico Jansen: This is something I found funny about the first trader division out-set, I think Riga posted on the 2nd page. You got a loophole for a corrupt director here I think. If you like that, that's fine with me. Just my two cents. Or I didn't understand it right and this all-nighter took it's toll allready. They please disregard. Heh, you're right. Let me rephrase it: All members of Commodity Inc., are only bound by the divisions rules and rulings as long as they are at one of the corporation bases. The director is always bound to the rules of the division and the rulings of the corporation. Unlike members he can be judged by the board of directors for his actions off-base. He, just been promoted to commander , next step.....director Rico, thanks for pointing it out. Appreciate the feedback. [ 08-22-2001: Message edited by: Riga ] [ 08-22-2001: Message edited by: Riga ]

quote:Originally posted by Epsilon 5: Ok... I'll be there today, from now till 6:30pm at least, gmt-5. My bots will be there too. If I'm not there but my bots are (they will be dogs), just leave a message and I'll check the chat logs. Just to let you know, I had to shut down my bot (you were harrassing it too much ). I'm currently rewriting it (having Intercorp Ulimited in mind) but cannot seem to find the time to finish it. Hopefully I can get it back up at the end of the week. Hope to see you there again soon.

The logo's are looking good Jeffery. I can start working on a concept version of the Corporation's Mission Statement and Charter. From this I can derive its role in the BC universe. I need some time to complete that though. Before I forget: Jeffery, if you want you can modify the history if you like, except for the part before I supposedly meet you. That's my history

Taken from the Version Control File: quote: At any rate, while first person mode in BCM is just the final step toward completing the total immersion I have strived to achieve for the series... The "total immersion" genre? He gets the autographed copy himself