Supreme Cmdr

quote: Originally posted by dirt12: Has there been any confirmation that DC has in fact replicated the RC1? No confirmation yet. Its only 09:38AM here and since its between the attorneys now, I suspect that I will hear something later today. As I said earlier, I will post news when I get it.

My only regret is that I let them talk me into rebranding my franchise; only to be faced with a situation where the very first title in a new franchise (I own the Universal Combat IP as well) stands the risk of being tainted. I never asked for this and I could have just refused back when they suggested it. Would the game have been delivered on time back then? Dunno and I can't speculate. All I know is, the game wouldn't have been subject to a Christmas rush if that were the case. And some people seem to think that just renaming a game like BCG to something else is perfectly legal. Renaming a BC game as something else and putting it in a box in order to attract unsuspecting buyers, is bad enough as it is. That was the reason why I gave conditions under which I would agree to the name change. i.e. I would be allowed to revise some areas of the game for a more combat oriented focus that is in line with the new focus. I discussed all of this in interviews. Had I just gone ahead and renamed the game without adding the development time, we'd be faced with a different problem : shipping a Battlecruiser gaming and passing it off as something else. When the hardcore BC vets play the game, I am quite sure that the revised elements (which were NEVER in my original design) will be immediately identified as not being a style for the Battlecruiser games. I did try for a synergistic approach to catering to both the hardcore Battlecruiser fans and the casual action gamer. Now they want to ruin it all, piss away my hard work - and money - by shipping such a crippled build of the game. I simply cannot understand this.

Just a quick early morning update because today is probably going to be one of those apocalyptic days. Here is how things stand, and with a little recap of the sequence of events since 12-17-03 On 12-15-03, DC received an RC1 build on CDROM. I remained in a holding pattern, working on RC2 in between taking care of other personal issues. My next scheduled update (which would have been based on the RC2 code which was WIP) was for today. A word about updates. For major updates, I always send off a CDROM. For minor updates, I always give access to a patch download. The RC builds are an exception. They are always CDROM burns because then the entire picture of the game [as if it were going in a box] is available. So, that RC1 CDROM was the first to have all the shortcuts (though has two problems stemming from the reconfiguration of the Beta Installshield scripts), documents (e.g. Gallion's appendix data, my manual revisions and other PDF filesc etc) Also bear in mind that DC cannot create a GM master because (1) they do not have the Installshield config scripts (2) they do not have the SafeDisc license. In all my games, going back to the BC3K v2.0 with Interplay, I do everything and send out a GM ready CDROM, complete with production materials on CD. I am and always have been, a one stop shop. Thinking that the game would go into duplication this week (or next) for an early January shelf, I created a poll (this thread), to see how the gamers felt about this. The idea was that the RC2 build would be sent out as either a normal build (like the RC1) or as a GM build i.e. with my DRM removed, SafeDisc encoded etc etc. At 11:30AM on 12-17-03, I got this from the DC tech support manager, via MSN. quote: [11:30] Clockwork Mike: hi derek u there? [11:31] Derek Smart: yeah, on my PDA and stuck in traffic. whats up? [11:31] Clockwork Mike: do u have that patch to send me which completes all the missions? [11:32] Derek Smart: you mean my current build? yeah, but I was waiting to get feedback about the RC1 before I built a new patch. The new patch for your version will only contain a new executable, the scenarios.zip file (with the final missions) and some updated docs. [11:33] Derek Smart: well?? [11:33] Derek Smart: Mike, hurry up, because this signal will drop at any time, I'm on a WiFi connection! [11:34] Derek Smart: ok, screw it, I'm gone. Send email [11:34] Clockwork Mike: the build looks great and we will be declaring gold today, but do you want to send a patch before we do. [11:34] Derek Smart: declaring Gold today? Have you folks been drinking?? I forwarded it to the DC primaries (read: suit) and awaited a response. At 11:56AM, in response to my email (above) I got this from suit #1 (big cheese) quote: So what are you saying below? At 2:31PM when I got back to my office, I got the email (above) and responded. quote: uhm, that nobody told me about it? And Mike's message was the first time I'd heard of it? Which - all things considered - isn't too surprising. Anyway, I called shortly and left both suit #2 and the Producer (name edited) a msg to call me back so that I could be better advised about the situation and this decision. That was two hours ago and nobody called me back. So I went about my business and I just got home for lunch. I'm leaving again at 2:45pm and can be reached on my cell phone (you folks should have that number). Basically, I don't want *any* gold announcement being made without my input. At any rate, if we're going Gold with what we have (i.e. the RC2 build), I need to be advised by a company [DC} primary (e.g. suit #2 or you suit #1), not a manager. Not tech support. Not Producer. Not PM (name edited). And certainly not the office cleaner. Throughout my dealings with DC, I have tried to always maintain the chain of command and it is something I don't take at all lightly. You guys need to get better organized (To wit: this most recent fiasco in which neither you nor suit #2, knew what hell was going on), IMO. Back here, I'm boss. It comes from God to me then the next person (Peter) in the chain. Nothing ever breaches that because when something goes wrong, I only have myself to blame. As for going Gold, if the announcement is going to be made, I would prefer that it get done on Monday the 22nd. Between now and then, I would have given Mike and crew a patch for RC1 to RC2 and will dispatch a GM master to arrive that week. Frankly, given that Mike and his crew have complained incessantly about game stability issues (I didn't have to do *anything* to fix them, since I wasn't getting such problems on our end) in previous Beta versions (as recently as the November 0.05.35 build). Then all of a sudden (in 0.06.25 RC1) I get an MSN like he just sent. I find that *highly* suspicious. So, somebody had better get geared up to explain to me, just *exactly* how we go from "seriously unstable" to "....the build looks great and we will be declaring gold today, but do you want to send a patch before we do.". Either that, or someone back there things I'm an idiot and will just ship this game so I can get buried at retail. So, suit #2, suit #1 - assuming you two still have no clue whats going on, I suggest you grab Robert, Mike and their crew and find what's going on - because you probably don't know that they've been complaining about the game's instability and I have since been waiting for info on exactly how to reproduce them, when, on 11 machines (my dev machines), nobody has reported such. I am on vacation starting on 12/22 and my flight out to Europe is not until the night of 12/23. So, I would need to send off a GM master prior to my departure or build it when I arrive in the UK (I have now installed both ISX and SafeDisc on my laptop). So, I have no problems going Gold next week, but I want to know wtf is going on back there and how this Gold issue came up overnight!! DS ps: No, I'm not crazy. I just like to act it because it catches everyone off guard when they find they're not dealing with a fool. On 12-18-03, 08:48AM, I got this from suit #2 (Mr nice guy. He really is. Unless they've got God Cop/Bad Cop down to an artform. And it was him who convinced me to go ahead with the BCG to UC branding) quote: Derek ? What patches can you send to us tonight, i.e. to arrive electronically by tomorrow morning? We will likely be making a call on this tomorrow and any updates between now and then may ultimately help the sales of UC. Please advise. My reply went out at 09:05AM the same day. I have snipped the first part because it contains personal info about why I was not in my office that morning (daughter's birthday etc etc) quote: *snip* Anyway, my current version is based on the RC2 build. I am about to check the testers (my testers) DB to see if anything came through yesterday/last night, then I will update the version control file and investigate any new issues. I didn't do any programming yesterday, so the vcf remains as it was yesterday morning. At any rate, let me get my act in gear and get my bearings. In the meantime, I still need someone to answer my question about how we went from "highly unstable" in the 0.05.35 build, to Mike's assertions via MSN yesterday. I don't like mysteries and since I know for a *fact* that I didn't do *anything* between 0.05.35 of 11/11/03 to 1.00.06.25 of 12/08/03, to address stability issues (the builds in between were completion of WIP items, bug fixes etc) I wasn't experiencing, I am very curious about this. If there are underlying stability issues in the game - anywhere - I'd like to address them before we go GM (assuming we're going GM with the currently known issues indicated in the vcf). "We will likely be making a call on this tomorrow and any updates between now and then may ultimately help the sales of UC." Oh? Please call me so we can discuss it or send email directly to my email address (not the list). I'm curious about this, because I was made aware that Walmart had pushed their order into January '04. And I'm not aware of any other retailer canceling their order. At 10:14AM on 12-18, in response to my question about stability issues, I got this from one of the suits. quote: Derek ? I?m told that there are no major stability issues that would prevent us from calling our current build gold. Again, with that in mind, any updates that you care to send to us today would be appreciated. 11:58AM on 12-18-03 I sent this out quote: Mike, suit #2 has asked me to build you guys an RC1 to RC2 patch. I need the following please : 1. Did you guys find anything in the RC1 build not already listed in the VCF I sent? 2. Have you guys tested the game on machines without a Pixel and/or Vertex shader (e.g. with a GF2 card)? And if so, were there any problems? On cards without a Pixel Shader (e.g. GF2), high-end fx such as shields, planetfall etc use the legacy fx from BCM Gold. And if the card does not have a Pixel/Vertex shader, the game should quit and refuse to run. For more about shader requirements, please look at the FAQ includes in the RC1 build. This file (ucfaq.html) is located in the DOCS folder but has a shortcut pointing to it from within Programs/Dreamcatcher/Universal Combat/Docs In all my tests here, the results were as expected 3. Do you guys want an rtPatch based update or shall I sent out a new RC2 CDROM. I can have Fedex pick it up for expedited delivery by tomorrow. 4. One new critical problem appeared last night (as per the tester's DB) and I'm going to look into it (and some other minor ones) later today. That is : if you select Roam or Campaign from the main menu, go to the Start New Game screen, then change your mind, go back to the Main Menu and select Instant Action, a crash will occur. Looks like something is not being reset - but I have not yet debugged it, as I am looking into other non-critical issues atm. Once I'm done, I will update the VCF and send along a revised version, but so far, nothing critical (apart from this) has come in. Can you reproduce this on your end as well? DS 12:18PM on 12-18-03 I got this from the head suit quote: Derek, Mike is away today. Please send whatever patches by both FEDEX and by FTP. Replication starts tomorrow morning. Thanks 12:53PM, my response quote: suit #1 (real-name edited out), Replication of what?!? You guys don't have a full GM build. You don't have a SafeDisc encoded GM. So what *exactly* are you replicating? The RC1 build which has an expiration DRM signature and known (as per the VCF) problems? I hope you're kidding. You guys ship this game without my sign-off, we're going to have a serious problem. So please don't do it. I gave you [DC] several options to resolve this issue, pick one. We DON'T have to go down this path. Believe me, you DON'T want to do this. DS 1:13PM, I got this from suit #2 quote: Derek ? suit #1?s away from the office but I know he?s not kidding. I strongly recommend that you compile a new GM disk and get it down to the Miramar FedEx counter today for delivery to DC tomorrow morning. 1:59PM my response quote: suit #2, I have turned this over to Eric now. You should be hearing from him shortly. And considering that this is the stance you folks have decided to adopt, I'm not sending you **anything** until advised by my attorney. You guys ship this game without my consent, you'll get into a legal problem which will eclipse the ongoing BCMG licensing/royalties issues. You guys ship the game with a DRM signature which expires (as this is how I protect non-GM builds), you will be facing a class action lawsuit because you all know - and I advised again today - that the RC1 build which you have, like all Beta builds, has a DRM signature which will eventually expire. You guys ship the game without adequate protection (since I have the SafeDisc signature and license for it), I will consider it a violation of my IP rights. *snip confidential contractual dispute related to BCMG licensing/royalties reporting.* We're done. DS From that point on, Eric called them up and they started a dialog between him, the two suits and their legal counsel. At the end of that day, Eric asks me to consider burning a CDROM of the RC2 build and sending to them, in order to avert any unpleasantness. I told him that I had to think about it, and we agreed that until they sent over my contractual waiver of compliance, along with some other things they needed to provide, they weren't getting anything. That night - with my daughter (some of you here know this already, since we've been talking via email), down with the flu and posting fevers which peaked at 106 deg at one point, I proceeded to do a code rollback in order to burn them a new CDROM based on the RC2 build, sans the DRM, SafeDisc encoded etc etc. The original plan was to send out three copies. One to Eric, one to DC and one to the replicators (suit #2 had sent along the shipping address earlier that day). By late afternoon, the paperwork they were supposed to have faxed over, had not arrived. On early Saturday morning, after running some tests (incl. testing the SafeDisc encoded GM I had burned) on the build, it was ready to roll. I called Eric at home, talked for a bit and he told me to send it out and that hopefully the paperwork was in his office fax machine. At 7:45AM on 12:19, I advised them via email (I can't post the email because it contains contractual info regarding licensing etc). But here is how it begins quote: Eric, I'm going to try and send them this RC2 build for tomorrow (Sat), but, as I told you, I will try my utmost and make no promises. As you know, my daughter is sick and I'm home alone with her. Until 3.42pm yesterday, nobody told me they were going to replication today. You know the story. *snip* At 1:15PM on 12-20-03, I got this from their legal counsel. quote: Derek, Thank you for the email clarifying this. As we did not receive the RC2 build that Eric confirmed we would receive by today, we are proceeding this afternoon to replication of the RC1 build, as we previously informed you. Regards, At which point, it was all over. The decision was then made to contact one of our associate attorneys in Canada in order to obtain a TRO preventing them from distributing the RC1 build into the retail channel. As it stands, we're not sending them anything. That advisory from them of Saturday, opens up a another can of worms. One of them being that if I sent them the RC2 build, it won't matter because they had already replicated a massive amount of RC1 builds. There were several contractual things that they were supposed to have done and which they hadn't up to that point. And if they agreed to not ship the RC1 builds, unless there was a contract ammendment in place, I could be charged back (quite a bit of money) for that expense. Even if there was a situation where they would send out replacement RC2 discs to everyone who purchase the RC1, someone has to foot the bill for it. Since they did this on their own, thats their expense. And since they've continued to act irresponsibly, they'd have to put in writing that they would foot the bill. By shipping RC1 without my permission, they violate their licensing rights, my IP, and God only knows how many FTC regulations (think about the condition of the RC1 build and you'll get the picture). Not to mention leaving us open to a class action lawsuit. Apart from their advisory that they were going ahead with the replication of the RC1, if I don't legally advise them of a breach and let something major like this slide, I sort of indemnify them of any and all claims, making me (the contract is personally guaranteed by me btw, hence the reason they were to send a contractual waiver of compliance) an accessory to their action. Today, Eric and my attorneys in Canada are going to advise them via paperwork of their breach and my desire to protect my IP from damage and at any/all costs. Obtaining a TRO is not a big deal because my contract shows that I own the IP, that my company, rep, IP etc would be damaged if this RC1 build were to be allowed into the retail channel. With a TRO (which for expediatry reasons has to be taken out in Canada), they can replicate a million units, but will never ship them. And since a TRO requires a hearing in order to either (a) have it removed of ( have it extended, if successful, the RC1 build will never enter the retail channel until the case is heard. Which could be 3-4 weeks, depending on the Canadian court system. BUT. In the meantime, if they want to negotiate and get out of this mess, we are still offering them the RC2 burn, but only under the condition that if in fact the RC1 burn has been replicated, that they sign a document agreeing to destroy and never ship them and also that they do so at their expense. Unless and until officially confirm/deny the replication of RC1, we can't do anything. Thats how things stand. And NO, nobody was holding them over a barrel about this product. I never wanted to ship the game in the RC2 state, but now I find myself forced to. If I don't do it, I come off looking difficult. And if I don't do something and the RC1 build ends up in the retail channel, I would have to patch it (thats what they are rather foolishly counting on), despite their breach of my IP and their illegal action of shipping a CRIPPLED game into the retail channel. Because of this mess and give my daughter's condition, my vacation (to the UK, and which was planned and they *knew* about going back to Sept this year) is off and I'm stuck on this rock for now. I'm not doing any more new work on UC because I don't want to taint the RC2 build. Instead, I am going to work with the attorneys in order to avert this disaster and spend much needed time with my family. And possibly go back and work on the demo, using the RC2 code base. At some point, someone in this industry HAS to take a stand against this sort of practice by publishers. And since I am faced with another recap of the 1996 Take2 fiasco, I'm going to do everything in my power to prevent it from ever happening again. Fact is I have shipped no less than four games since 1996 and NEVER had a SINGLE contractual or delivery problem with Interplay (BC3K v2.0 1998), EB (BCM 2001), nor Dreamcatcher (who shipped BCM Gold in March this year) That's how things stand. [ 12-22-2003, 09:26 AM: Message edited by: Supreme Cmdr ]

quote: Originally posted by mudpuppy: It's not so much that I care about being in a specific place in space, but rather that sometimes I'd just like to be off the beaten path. 2D plotting ought to fill the bill for that. np. In fact, you're not going to believe it, I was going to change that to 3D plotting (so that you could adjust the Z asis, but somehow slipped my mind because its not even in my design list for BCG. I have now added it for a future patch revision.

quote: Originally posted by Eclipse: sorry to break in here but isn't that Gallions personal avatar you are using there? No. All personal avatars have the name of the person. For e.g. if Gallion had a personal avatar, it would be named gallion.gif on the server. Any avatar with the name avatarXXX can be used by anyone. Most people with personal avatars sent them to me and I uploaded to the server. Others just link to their own images.

quote: Originally posted by Bane: All works well now that WinMe is gone -- again Mahalos for your time! Thank God for that. Don't you feel better now? I bet your system's case fans are turning faster now and your HDD and all components are thanking you. God WinME was such a travesty. Anyway, what did you upgrade to? And don't forget to update you system sig, a lot of entries are missing.

quote: Originally posted by DeepFreeze: On the one hand, putting profanity on your company website is not a good thing, You are right. But the fact is, NOBODY will EVER see that page unless their IP or URL is in the .htaccess file. So, you're never going to see it by accident. Anyway, for due consideration, I have revised it a bit.

Thats correct. Waypoints are plotted on a 2D plane in space.

quote: Originally posted by Zerocyde: Heres a hint Zerocyde, RTFM! Page 93, ya Dip. ROTFLMAO!!!! Man, that was one funny n00b. Can we keep 'im? Can we? Can we?

quote: Originally posted by Alacard: So.... should those of us that have pre-ordered cancel it? No, hang tight until I post otherwise.

quote: Originally posted by Jaguar: quote:And of course Bill Huffman (yes, HaveFun is him, thats his usual forum alias) has made an appearance. And the reason he can't read my post to Shingen is because he has a static IP with RoadRunner and I banned it on the site using an .htaccess file. He can't pull up www.3000ad.com at all. ROFLMAO!! It's good to be the king, gotta love it. Poor Billy, the man is a psycho from the word go, but what you did to make 3000 unavailable to him is just lovely, totally fitting. I just love it!! LOL [/QB] Unless he posts from somewhere other than home (I even banned his company's entire IP mask), if he tries to access the site, this is what he sees.

quote: Originally posted by Bane: B/c of this I cannot install the next patch [1.01.01] b/c I get a "1.01.00 Patch Not Found Error". You need to be running the patch from INSIDE the game install folder. Thats the only way it will find the executable to patch. I suggest you start from scratch by uninstalling the game. And make sure you download the correct patches. BCM is not the same as BCM Gold.

quote: Originally posted by Kalshion: Don't get involved, they'll just continue no matter what. There doing that just to annoy us Thats why I never get involved, I have enough problems with real life than to get involved in senseless bashing and stuff Absolutely quote: Originally posted by Pugwash: now read his (Takvah) posts over at http://dreamcatchergames.com/forums/showth...&threadid=13675 And of course Bill Huffman (yes, HaveFun is him, thats his usual forum alias) has made an appearance. And the reason he can't read my post to Shingen is because he has a static IP with RoadRunner and I banned it on the site using an .htaccess file. He can't pull up www.3000ad.com at all. [ 12-21-2003, 07:06 PM: Message edited by: Supreme Cmdr ]

Thanks Soback. Funny stuff indeed. That one guy said he wanted a foghorn on cap ships. Man, I was laughing so hard.

quote: Originally posted by Dra'an'tier: (Though that welcoming/warning message to the forum, though understandably needed, was kinda intimidating, lol) ^^;;;;; heh, yeah I know. Sorry about that, but I wanted to make sure I got my point across.

Have you tried, uhm, I dunno, using a waypoint?

quote: Originally posted by Alacard: I'm kinda tired but.... Does this mean if we pre-ordered we're SOL? Dunno. But until we know for a fact tomorrow that they did in fact replicate the RC1 build, we won't know for sure. The way I see it, if they have in fact replicated RC1, since I have no intentions of patching it, the only way they'd be able to remedy it, is to ship out replacement RC2 CDs. And of course, given what has happened now, they're not getting the RC2 build from me until the attorneys sort this mess out. Because if I do it now - after they advised yesterday 1:15PM that they were going to replicated the RC1 build - and they get both RC1 and RC2, they'll probably find a way to make me pay (through royalty deductions) for the replacement CDs. Until this is cleared up in a contractual amendment, I'm not giving them the RC2 build. Period. So, once I get final word tomorrow, I will let everyone know. You can then make your own decisions from that point on. I simply cannot understand this and I have no idea what they hope to achieve by shoving the RC1 build into the channel. I simply do not get it.

For those who cannot read the poll results (you have to be registered), as of now, they are as follows code: 31% (27) - voted to ship it 62% (53) - voted to give it another month 7% (6) - don't care either way Bear in mind that most voted before DC made it known that they intended to ship the RC1 build, instead of the RC2 build. I mention this because I'm quite sure that the 27 people who voted OK, probably wouldn't have done so had they known this before hand. It would be like paying $40+ for a crippled demo. Since I have NO intentions of patching it, if they do in fact ship it, thats all its going to be, an expensive demo.

Chris just sent me this thread. Of course if you do a profile search on all the posters (except for two) in that thread, you will see that the morons spouting the usual rubbish, are those who have made it their business to bash me, the games, the fanbase, at every turn. I simply can't understand this. Its human nature I guess; yet people wonder why flamewars are so prevalent. And of course, had the RC1 build of the game entered into the retail channel and I hadn't said anything, guess what they'd be saying then. The same thing I was blamed for when Take 2 pulled the same stunt, by shipping the first BC3K title while still in Beta. [ 12-31-2003, 08:25 AM: Message edited by: Supreme Cmdr ]

quote: Originally posted by Remo Williams: Sounds normal to me it depends on the admins preference. You can set those setting to any time limits you wish. For instants if your on Prime's board you can edit your post up to five minutes after you posted without it stamping the post as edited. After 15 minutes your no longer able to edit the post at all. This board is configured for 10 mins

Got link?

BCS only uses DirectX

While I'm at it, to the twits (who can't post here of course) posting over here, below is my response: quote: I just got an email forwarded by CAT. There was no forum lockdown. Earlier this morning, new registrations were disabled while the DB and the site were backed up. This is standard because we don't prune the site and tend to back it up weekly. You can still read the forums, but in order to post, you have to be registered. This has not changed. And Shingen, I know you can't help yourself, so the rubbish you are spewing is hardly surprising. Everything I have posted on my forum is FACTUAL. And the first time DC comes out and denies any of it, I will simply post ALL the emails going back since December 02 as proof of what is going on. They know I'll do it, so this is not an idle threat. I have NOTHING to hide and the facts I post on the site are just that, facts. They have an RC1 build. I own the IP for the game. They do not have my permission to replicate it. The submission CDs are clearly marked indicating that they are not for distribution. All builds have a DRM signature (Digital Rights Management) and if they ship and you buy the RC1 build (1) it will expire (2) it only contains the Beta test scenarios (3) contains a path to an incorrect mp executable (4) contains all the problems currently listed in the version control file - none of which are in the RC1 build. The game is not ready. They ship it, you can go to them for support because we are currently updating the registration DB which means that unless you have a serial number, you won't be able to download any patches. And I have this morning invalidated all the serial numbers I generated and sent to them. In other words, they ship a dud, you'll be buying a dud. It will never, ever be supported. Thats that.

quote: Originally posted by IceBladeTSW: But would the TRO be able to stop them? Yes. Especially since there will be delay from the replication to the time the units get to the stores, then from the stores to the shelves. Not only will the TRO be effective, a trade press release (from a PR firm I use) is going out on Monday. Because it is a trade release, everyone, including publishers, media, investors, retailers etc, will get to see it. And if it gets served after they've replicated it, they've just dug a deeper hole because then they'll never ship it and I'll never have the TRO lifted. I own the IP and DC don't have a leg to standon. The game was delayed only TWICE. Once, was their fault (and thats easily proven, since I didn't ask to change my game from BCG to UC). The second time was a factor of game development. Its not like we're talking months or years of development here. We're talking weeks and they want to shove this game into Q4 in order to meet Christmas. Thats just not gonna happen if I can help it. [ 12-20-2003, 04:38 PM: Message edited by: Supreme Cmdr ]

At 1:15PM EST today, I got this from them quote: Derek, Thank you for the email clarifying this. As we did not receive the RC2 build that Eric confirmed we would receive by today, we are proceeding this afternoon to replication of the RC1 build, as we previously informed you. We have advised them that on Monday and attorney in Canada is going to be filing a Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) preventing them from shipping the game into retail because it would damage the property, my rep etc. Hopefully that will get done before they start shipping it into the retail channel. Since they don't want to wait, now they're going to have to wait for at least two weeks until the court hears the case for the removal of the TRO. btw Eric is my attorney. And no, he did not confirm anything with them. He simply told them that he had talked me into sending them a GM based on the RC2 build for replication. They were still insisting on going Gold this weekend. And I've told them that if they ship RC1 into retail, there will never - ever - be a patch for it. Ever.