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quote:Originally posted by Race Bannon IV: Speaking as one of the so called invisible liberals on this board, I havent responded to any of these threads because I have heard ALL of it before. I think it is nice for you guys to spin this stuff so you can avoid discussing Karl Rove Scooter Libby and the like. It beats discussing Bush's spiraling approval ratings. You know a lot of you guys call yourselves conservatives, but in truth you are all Fundementalists. You see the world in absolutes, are unable to comprimise, renounce any dissent as unpatriotic,and do your best to destroy a system that promotes liberty by trying to bring about the demise of any opposition party. You guys have a lot in common with the Islamic fundementalist you are always demonizing, you only differ in dogma and tactics. That is really ironic and funny to me. The riots are simply what riots have always been under many different forms of government; the rage of the poor, uneducated and unrepresented. This is no more a repudiation of Socialism than the riots in in LA were to democracy. Rage reaches a critical mass and the mob mentality took over. In closing remember a wise man once said " A fanatic is a person who won't change his mind and can't change the subject" If the shoe fits...... If you read my initial post, I already had that covered: quote:Seems it doesn't matter what political system, there are going to be those that are not happy at all.

quote:Originally posted by Prez: Am I the only one who feels that France's softball response to this will be seen as encouragement of future behavior of this nature? If you go back to that link you provided in your Jordan terror attack thread Fox News and click on the VIDEO tab, you'll see that it's happening (to a small degree) now in germany. Title: Copy cat violence? German police beef up security.

Some glimmer of hope: DOVER, Pa. ÔÇö Voters came down hard Tuesday on school board members who backed a statement on intelligent design being read in biology class, ousting eight Republicans and replacing them with Democrats who want the concept stripped from the science curriculum.

quote:Originally posted by Aperson: ID is not a scientifictly viable theory. And even if it was, it should not be taught in schools until it went through the vigorous scrutiny that other scietific theorys have had to go through in order to enter public education curriculums. And no, one peer reviewed paper doesn't cut it. I agree, it's not a theory but a byproduct of ones own faith.

quote:Originally posted by Remo Williams: I have no problem with it as long as evolution is not omitted completely. Since they are both theories why not teach them both? I myself see evolution as part of the grand design. You and I know that the agenda isn't going to stop where it is. That's what I'm affraid of. Religion wants the old days back. Where, if you claim, anything scientifically that disproves what they believe they will burn you at the stake, keep you under house arrest until you recant your claims etc.... Or as I think Jaguar already stated something some time ago like: Let's throw up our hands because we don't understand it we'll just say it's too unknowable and it's God's design only he can understand it. Hence, scientific discovery stagnates and returns to the dark ages. ID is religion trying to impose itself on the scientific community to regain it's old power over it. Nothing more, nothing less. It's like going to a Buddhist and telling them they cannot teach their religion without also including the teachings of another religion.

Yeah, I should have title this thread: And so it begins again and again..... BTW: Thanks to whoever moved the thread out of the science section. I couldn't decide where this thing should be posted. Another post that was a gray line on to where it should go, for me anyway. I played it safe, however, by keeping it with the other discussions on ID.

NewScientist: The US government has unveiled a "non-lethal" laser rifle designed to dazzle enemy personnel without causing them permanent harm. But the device will require close scrutiny to ensure compliance with a United Nations protocol on blinding laser weapons. Not Star Trek yet but a step in the right direction.

New standards question accuracy of evolutionary theory TOPEKA, Kansas (AP) -- At the risk of re-igniting the same heated nationwide debate it sparked six years ago, the Kansas Board of Education approved new public school science standards Tuesday that cast doubt on the theory of evolution. quote: The challenged concepts cited include the basic Darwinian theory that all life had a common origin Excuse me, but isn't that what ID people are trying to prove? That God is the common origin.

quote:Originally posted by Prez: quote:The article above falls miserably short of covering any of these item. Precisely the reason I said that I have a hard time believing this. It's real easy for someone already pre-disposed to hating Bush to take everything negative about him at face value. I don't hate him; I find his over-spending alarming, true, but this kind of claim needs a little bit more evidence prior to being accecpted as fact. Much like many others negative claims about him. Exactly. Funny thing about government spending. As soon as one mentions spending cuts, all the lobbyists come out of the woodwork "You're not cutting mine".

quote:Originally posted by Aperson: the Canadian emmigration model. Hmm, I'm curious about that now. I don't think I've read anything at all about that. Any info on this would be greatly appreciated.

Soon there will be just a Walmart style Publisher.

quote:Originally posted by Prez: (snip)...has out-borrowed and out-spent Clinton, a tax-and-spend liberal. I find the article unsatisfactory and I'm surprised no one mentioned this fact. Where is a chart to explain the spending. Just offering up the total monetary figures just doesn't cut it. We know the Iraq war speding is a given but give us the rest of the break down so we know where to make the cuts. Such as: Disaster relief to states that are caught with their pants down by just relying on the federal government to bail them out. Welfare Foreign aid To name just a few. We live in completely different times that all the other presidents. Terrorist attacks on our soil Multiple natural disasters More and more immigrants coming over to this country and going on welfare immediately. The article above falls miserably short of covering any of these item.

I read about that earlier today. I don't understand why they need to keep it non-lethal since it is suppose to be a defensive weapon against those who have lethal intentions on others. It should be made like a Star Trek Phaser with Stun and Kill.

SYDNEY, Australia (CNN) -- Australian prosecutors began outlining what they say were planned attacks against citizens after police arrested 17 people on terrorism charges Tuesday in the nation's two largest cities. quote: Police made the arrests in Sydney and Melbourne. Those arrested include a Muslim cleric accused of masterminding a cell dedicated to "violent jihad." Australian authorities credited their 18-month investigation with averting terrorist bombings. "We believe that we've been able to significantly disrupt a proposed terrorist attack here in Australia," New South Wales Police Commissioner Ken Moroney told Australia's Channel 7 Television. Police have confirmed one man who had been under surveillance was shot and wounded by police Tuesday morning in an outer Sydney suburb. The man allegedly fire shots at the police and a second gun was found in a backpack he was carrying, Australia's Sky News reported. He is under police guard in hospital. A prominent Islamic cleric, Abu Bakr, was among nine men who appeared Tuesday morning in the Melbourne Magistrates Court charged with being members of a terror group.

So far: PARIS, France (CNN) -- Rioters fired at police and burned schools and churches in an 11th night of violence in France, despite words from the president that restoring order was a top priority. *4,300 vehicles have been burned *Ten riot police were injured *A school was torched. *A church was set ablaze *Rocks thrown at two buses hit a 13-month-old child in Colombe, an official with the Interior Ministry said. The child was in serious condition. *Two schools in the southeastern town of Saint-Etienne *A police station *A social center *CNN correspondents have said renegade youths have turned neighborhoods into no-go zones, even in the daytime. There is also this: PARIS, France (Reuters) -- One of France's largest Islamic groups has issued a fatwa against rioting after officials suggested Muslim militants could be partly to blame for violent protests scarring poor neighborhoods around the country.

I just saw a report on ABC stating that Chirac was kind of stuck between doing what he wanted to do and that is use all the force available and the Liberals who just wanted to throw money at them to quell the situation. These are pretty much the words that was stated on ABC.

quote:Calvert said museum exhibits such as the one in Lawrence are flawed because they ask visitors to believe humans evolved randomly, with no specific purpose or design by a higher power -- a theory polls show a majority of Americans do not believe.Why that idea is so hard for people to contemplate is quite beyond me.

LAWRENCE, Kansas (Reuters) -- At the new "Explore Evolution" museum exhibit in Kansas, visitors pass a banner showing the face of a girl next to the face of a chimpanzee for a lesson on how the two are "cousins in life's family tree." quote: They can also study DNA under a 4-foot-tall double helix model, peruse fossil record research, and examine how advancements in treating modern-day diseases require an understanding of the evolution of cell structures. Curators of the exhibit, which opened Tuesday at the University of Kansas in Lawrence, hope their work provides a counterweight to the anti-evolution sentiment sweeping their state and the country. Sister exhibits, sponsored by the National Science Foundation, are opening in Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Minnesota and Michigan. "People just don't understand how science works. We need to better inform them about what science is," said Teresa MacDonald, director of education for the university's Natural History Museum, which opened the exhibit on Tuesday. But on November 8, state education officials in Kansas are poised to do what many scientists see as just the opposite. Led by a conservative Christian chairman who says evolutionary theory is incompatible with the biblical account of God's creation of life on earth, the Kansas Board of Education plans to insert questions about the veracity of evolution theory into statewide teaching standards. The action has outraged scientists across the nation and both the National Academy of Sciences and the National Science Teachers Association have refused Kansas' request to use their copyrighted material. The Kansas board made a similar, but more aggressive effort to weaken evolution instruction in 1999. But a public backlash ultimately led to the reversal of those actions. Evolution under attack Now, the new Kansas standards, which outline what teachers should teach and test on, leave evolutionary principles in the curriculum but insert phrasing that encourages students to question their validity. The standards also delete certain text about how science is defined. "The stakes are high," said Eugenie Scott, executive director of the National Center for Science Education. "If Kansas gets away with it ... I anticipate that in every state where science standards are up for revision, we are going to be fighting another battle." Efforts to undermine evolution instruction have also been seen in Michigan, Kentucky, Georgia and elsewhere. And one key case was being tested in court this week in Pennsylvania, where a group of parents sued the Dover Area School Board because teachers had been ordered to tell biology students that the theory of evolution is not established fact. The Pennsylvania school officials introduced students to an alternative theory known as "intelligent design," which holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, such as God, rather than an undirected process such as natural selection. Intelligent design, or ID, proponents have also been active in pressing for the changes in Kansas, but school board members there stopped short of including intelligent design ideas in the state standards. "ID is making enormous progress," said John Calvert, a Kansas City lawyer and ID proponent. "Is it going to happen overnight? No. Is it going to happen? Yes." Calvert said museum exhibits such as the one in Lawrence are flawed because they ask visitors to believe humans evolved randomly, with no specific purpose or design by a higher power -- a theory polls show a majority of Americans do not believe. But evolution supporters say religion has no valid role in a science class. "This is all based on establishing a theocracy within our system," said Sue Gamble, a member of the Kansas School Board who opposes changing the science standards. "We said we didn't want to do that when we established our country. This should not be happening."

quote:Originally posted by Kalshion: Anywho, enjoy the reading And no you won't find this in any the mass media, which is to be expected since the truth hurts I took the liberty of posting this story at another place. You know what the first question asked me? Is this story available anywhere besides WND, Drudge and NewsMax. How typical. The place I go to from time to time is like 95% liberal dems. This one is not going to sit well with them.

I have a question for you all. These are poor and unemployed right? What are they doing with these luxury items: "They are very mobile, in cars or scooters."

Man, it just keeps getting worse there: PARIS, France (CNN) -- Protesters in France expanded their arson rampage into the capital city of Paris and along Mediterranean resort communities as the nation's Interior Ministry predicted the violence would grow by daybreak Sunday........ The vandalism has spread to around 20 communities with large immigrant and Muslim populations who've been plagued by poverty, unemployment and alleged discrimination. In some areas, unemployment is 25 percent........... Warning for tourists The U.S. Embassy in Paris has issued a public announcement warning American travelers about the rioting. "Although the riots have occurred in areas not normally frequented by U.S. tourists, travelers should be aware that train travel from the Charles de Gaulle Airport to the city center may be disrupted at times, as it passes near the affected area," according to the announcement, dated Friday. "Travelers could rely instead on airport buses or taxis to downtown Paris. Americans should avoid the affected areas." France is starting to sound like a mini Iraq.

quote:Originally posted by Jaguar: Oh, and not only is socialism a major cause of this, but guess what? The Rioters? They are Muslim.... Yep, that little old religion of Peace... uh huh, yeah, sure thing.... Yup, I was waiting to see if someone was going say the same thing I was thinking.

Agree with both of you. The one thing this proves is that Socialism is not better than any other political system.

CNN: WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Senate insisted Thursday on opening up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge for drilling after being blocked by environmentalists for decades, then voted overwhelmingly to prohibit exporting any of the oil pumped from the region. About time I would say too.

"France is one of Europe's leading economic powers, but it remains a fairly socialist country, and its government has a strong influence in the capitalistic market." PARIS, France (CNN) -- Police are bracing for another night of violence in the suburbs of Paris after officers and fire crews faced gunfire as they battled rioters who attacked a commuter train and set buses, a school and a car dealership ablaze. quote: The rioting began last Thursday in Clichy-sous-Bois after two teenagers were accidentally electrocuted and a third was injured while apparently trying to escape from police by hiding in a power substation. Officials have said police were not chasing the boys. But the original cause has been all but forgotten as residents of other communities -- weary of poverty, unemployment and discrimination against the large immigrant and Muslim populations -- have vented their frustration. In some areas, unemployment runs as high as 20 percent -- more than twice the national average, de Villepin told lawmakers. Jean-Louis Borloo, minister for social cohesion, said officials need to react "firmly" to the unrest but that France also must acknowledge its failure to deal with decades of simmering anger in the impoverished suburbs of Paris. "We cannot hide the truth: that for 30 years we have not done enough," he told France-2 television, AP reported.Reminds me of an incident that occured here in Ny a few years back when a drug dealer was shot to death by police here in upper manhattan and the entire latino population went up in arms about the shooting. Burning garbage cans and throwing things off the roof at the firemen than came to put out the fires. Seems it doesn't matter what political system, there are going to be those that are not happy at all.