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quote:Originally posted by Kalshion: I'm well aware of that, Yeah, I know. I just felt like pointing that out again for the benefit of some others. What makes me laugh about the pro-kerry people is that they are so willing to believe everthing Kerry has told them he will do, but when you talk about what Bush says (or anyone else from the Bush camp) they say and I quote "And you believe that". Maybe they ought to start paying attention to what they've been saying about us pro-BUSH people and using that same premise to scrutinize Kerry. They might not like what they find. I've given them enough evidence for it but I think they either choose not to heed, don't get it or it's just not sinking in.

quote:Originally posted by Kalshion: I'm well aware of that, Yeah, I know. I just felt like pointing that out again for the benefit of some others. What makes me laugh about the pro-kerry people is that they are so willing to believe everthing Kerry has told them he will do, but when you talk about what Bush says (or anyone else from the Bush camp) they say and I quote "And you believe that". Maybe they ought to start paying attention to what they've been saying about us pro-BUSH people and using that same premise to scrutinize Kerry. They might not like what they find. I've given them enough evidence for it but I think they either choose not to heed, don't get it or it's just not sinking in.

quote:Originally posted by Enigma: hey Jag i have 1 question, how come in the past 50 or so years, every republican president we have had has taken this nation into a conflict? Please!! Please!! tell me that I'm not seeing what I'm seeing here. I hope it's that I need glasses because I just can't believe my eyes. A little late but here's my full answer to this absurd remark. Hmmm, I smell public school education rearing it's ugly head again. WWI-Woodrow Wilson DEMOCRAT WWII -Franklin D. Roosevelt and then Harry Truman DEMOCRATS Korean War- Harry Truman DEMOCRAT Mind you that both Wilson and Roosevelt swore while on the campaign trail that we will not get involved in a war. Woodrow Wilson "By virtue of this legislation and the slogan "he kept us out of war," Wilson narrowly won re-election. But after the election Wilson concluded that America could not remain neutral in the World War. On April 2,1917, he asked Congress for a declaration of war on Germany." Vietnam-John F. Kennedy and then Johnson both DEMOCRATS [EDIT] I forgot to add the Cuban missle crisis that was just inches away from a nuclear war. John F. Kennedy again. Ended the vietnam war- Richard Nixon REPUBLICAN. Gulf War 1-George Bush sr. REPUBLICAN Hatian conflict-Clinton DEMOCRAT Involvement in the BOSNIAN-SERB WAR - (without UN or french approval mind you) Clinton DEMOCRAT War on Terrorsism- George W. Bush jr. REPUBLICAN [ 07-03-2004, 05:07 AM: Message edited by: LostInSpace ]

quote:Originally posted by Enigma: hey Jag i have 1 question, how come in the past 50 or so years, every republican president we have had has taken this nation into a conflict? Please!! Please!! tell me that I'm not seeing what I'm seeing here. I hope it's that I need glasses because I just can't believe my eyes. A little late but here's my full answer to this absurd remark. Hmmm, I smell public school education rearing it's ugly head again. WWI-Woodrow Wilson DEMOCRAT WWII -Franklin D. Roosevelt and then Harry Truman DEMOCRATS Korean War- Harry Truman DEMOCRAT Mind you that both Wilson and Roosevelt swore while on the campaign trail that we will not get involved in a war. Woodrow Wilson "By virtue of this legislation and the slogan "he kept us out of war," Wilson narrowly won re-election. But after the election Wilson concluded that America could not remain neutral in the World War. On April 2,1917, he asked Congress for a declaration of war on Germany." Vietnam-John F. Kennedy and then Johnson both DEMOCRATS [EDIT] I forgot to add the Cuban missle crisis that was just inches away from a nuclear war. John F. Kennedy again. Ended the vietnam war- Richard Nixon REPUBLICAN. Gulf War 1-George Bush sr. REPUBLICAN Hatian conflict-Clinton DEMOCRAT Involvement in the BOSNIAN-SERB WAR - (without UN or french approval mind you) Clinton DEMOCRAT War on Terrorsism- George W. Bush jr. REPUBLICAN [ 07-03-2004, 05:07 AM: Message edited by: LostInSpace ]

quote:Originally posted by Kalshion: that intelligence died when that communist clinton was put in officeLet's not forget Kerry had a hand in that also "Kerry Supported Slashing $2.6 Billion from Intelligence Funding While Serving as a Member of Senate Intel Committee."

quote:Originally posted by Kalshion: that intelligence died when that communist clinton was put in officeLet's not forget Kerry had a hand in that also "Kerry Supported Slashing $2.6 Billion from Intelligence Funding While Serving as a Member of Senate Intel Committee."

quote:Originally posted by street: 1:Kerry is LEVEL headed; opposed to BUSH's example of irrational, and reactionary responses. 2:Kerry is a REAL war experienced VET, which has seen ENOUGH of it FIRST HAND, to KNOW the consequence of his action(regardless of the bush indoctinational propaghanda); 1: And, pray tell, what do you base this assumption on. Guide to Kerry's Voting Record (easy to read version) "New York Times By DAVID BROOKS Published: February 7, 2004 John Kerry has been railing against the special interests, and I don't think that's very nice because it implies that some people's interests are not so special. I like to think that everybody's interests are special in their own way. What's more, I think Kerry knows this, because if you look over his long career, you see that he loves all our interests, big and small, near or far. For example, a Chinese businesswoman named Liu Chaoying dreamed of having her company listed on a U.S. stock exchange. That's certainly a special dream. Maybe as a little girl she would come home from school, gather up her little dollies and tell them about her dream of ringing the bell to start the trading day, or of having little Lucite tombstones on her desk to mark her mergers and acquisitions. Maybe some of the other little girls in school told her she'd never have a company on a U.S. exchange, because you know how cruel little kids can be. But she had an interest, and to her it was the most specialest interest in the world. And she kept at it. And that cute little girl grew up to become a lieutenant colonel in China's People's Liberation Army, which is a very special army, even measured against the armies of other human rights-violating dictatorships. And what's more, she had a $300,000 bank account with funds supplied by the head of Chinese intelligence, which is certainly quite special indeed. And Liu came to America in search of her dream, for this is the nation of dreams. And she went to see a most special man named Johnny Chung. And in July 1996, according to Newsweek, Chung took Liu to see his special friend John Kerry about her dream, and Kerry recognized its specialness. So his aides faxed over a letter to the S.E.C. about the dream, and the very next day Liu and Chung had a private briefing with a senior S.E.C. official about making her special dream come true. And then a few weeks after that, Johnny Chung threw a fund-raiser for John Kerry in Beverly Hills. And John Kerry came away with $10,000 in contributions, and I like to think they were very special contributions. I like to think they were written on special designer checks, maybe with rainbows or kittens or Chinese long-range missile designs shaded on the back, because special dreams deserve special checks, and when a man as special as John Kerry takes up an interest, I think that makes it a special interest all by itself. Liu Chaoying's interest was not the only interest John Kerry took a special interest in. According to The Associated Press, Kerry took a special interest in the insurance giant American International Group. When Senator John McCain proposed legislation that would have ended a federal contracting loophole benefiting A.I.G., Kerry did not look away, as others might have done. A loophole may not seem like much to you and me, but to A.I.G. it was a very special loophole the cuddly kind of loophole you can hold under the blankets and tell your secrets to late at night. And according to The A.P., John Kerry preserved the little loophole. And by sheer coincidence, A.I.G. donated $30,000 to help start Kerry's presidential campaign. While sitting on the commerce and finance committees, John Kerry has seen many interests, and you could forgive him if he didn't think they were all special. But Kerry has raised more money from Washington lobbyists than any other senator. He's raised over $30 million over the past nine years, and you just ask the folks in the telecom industry if he doesn't make them feel special. You just ask David Paul, one of the big figures in the savings and loan scandal, if Kerry didn't make him feel special. You just ask the high-tech executive Bob Majumder how special Kerry made him feel, at least until Majumder was charged with 40 counts of conspiracy, witness tampering, fraud, tax evasion and illegal campaign contributions. You just ask the law firms, the brokerage houses, the oil companies, the H.M.O.'s and the drug companies, which have donated tens of thousands of dollars to Kerry. Oh, he sometimes pretends that he doesn't care about our special interests. He puts on that callous populist facade. But deep down he cares. Maybe he cares too much. When he's out on the stump saying otherwise, he's just being a big old phony." 2:Cough.... Wednesday, Feb. 4, 2004 11:26 a.m. EST "Sen. John Kerry and his media boosters are hoping bogus allegations that President Bush went AWOL from the National Guard will catapult him into the White House - but during the 1992 presidential campaign, Kerry angrily denounced Bush's father for raising Bill Clinton's Vietnam draft record. In fact, back then, Kerry called those who wanted to make Vietnam service an issue "cowardly." "I'm here personally to express my anger, as a veteran," Kerry told National Public Radio two months before the 1992 election, "that a president who would stand before this nation in his inaugural address and promise to put Vietnam behind us is now breaking yet another promise and trying to use Vietnam and service in order to get himself re-elected." "That is not an act of leadership, that is an act of shame and cowardice," the Massachusetts Democrat railed. In words that could now apply to his own presidential campaign, Kerry complained to reporters a month later that White House charges suggesting Clinton had gone AWOL from the draft were an ugly smear. "It is a sad day when the president of the United States is willing to sully another man's reputation and challenge his patriotism merely to get elected," the current Democratic front-runner groused. Tuesday night, Kerry pulled a 180-degree about-face on the issue of using a candidate's Vietnam-era military record, telling Fox News Channel's "Hannity & Colmes," "There is an issue about what [bush's] service was - and I don't know the answers." Saying he would defend Bush's decision to enlist in the Guard, Kerry rattled off a long list of Vietnam-era options that lumped Guard service in with draft-dodging. "I've never made any judgments about any choice somebody made about avoiding the draft, about going to Canada, going to jail, being a conscientious objector [or] going into the National Guard," he told Sean Hannity. "Those are choices people make."

quote:Originally posted by street: 1:Kerry is LEVEL headed; opposed to BUSH's example of irrational, and reactionary responses. 2:Kerry is a REAL war experienced VET, which has seen ENOUGH of it FIRST HAND, to KNOW the consequence of his action(regardless of the bush indoctinational propaghanda); 1: And, pray tell, what do you base this assumption on. Guide to Kerry's Voting Record (easy to read version) "New York Times By DAVID BROOKS Published: February 7, 2004 John Kerry has been railing against the special interests, and I don't think that's very nice because it implies that some people's interests are not so special. I like to think that everybody's interests are special in their own way. What's more, I think Kerry knows this, because if you look over his long career, you see that he loves all our interests, big and small, near or far. For example, a Chinese businesswoman named Liu Chaoying dreamed of having her company listed on a U.S. stock exchange. That's certainly a special dream. Maybe as a little girl she would come home from school, gather up her little dollies and tell them about her dream of ringing the bell to start the trading day, or of having little Lucite tombstones on her desk to mark her mergers and acquisitions. Maybe some of the other little girls in school told her she'd never have a company on a U.S. exchange, because you know how cruel little kids can be. But she had an interest, and to her it was the most specialest interest in the world. And she kept at it. And that cute little girl grew up to become a lieutenant colonel in China's People's Liberation Army, which is a very special army, even measured against the armies of other human rights-violating dictatorships. And what's more, she had a $300,000 bank account with funds supplied by the head of Chinese intelligence, which is certainly quite special indeed. And Liu came to America in search of her dream, for this is the nation of dreams. And she went to see a most special man named Johnny Chung. And in July 1996, according to Newsweek, Chung took Liu to see his special friend John Kerry about her dream, and Kerry recognized its specialness. So his aides faxed over a letter to the S.E.C. about the dream, and the very next day Liu and Chung had a private briefing with a senior S.E.C. official about making her special dream come true. And then a few weeks after that, Johnny Chung threw a fund-raiser for John Kerry in Beverly Hills. And John Kerry came away with $10,000 in contributions, and I like to think they were very special contributions. I like to think they were written on special designer checks, maybe with rainbows or kittens or Chinese long-range missile designs shaded on the back, because special dreams deserve special checks, and when a man as special as John Kerry takes up an interest, I think that makes it a special interest all by itself. Liu Chaoying's interest was not the only interest John Kerry took a special interest in. According to The Associated Press, Kerry took a special interest in the insurance giant American International Group. When Senator John McCain proposed legislation that would have ended a federal contracting loophole benefiting A.I.G., Kerry did not look away, as others might have done. A loophole may not seem like much to you and me, but to A.I.G. it was a very special loophole the cuddly kind of loophole you can hold under the blankets and tell your secrets to late at night. And according to The A.P., John Kerry preserved the little loophole. And by sheer coincidence, A.I.G. donated $30,000 to help start Kerry's presidential campaign. While sitting on the commerce and finance committees, John Kerry has seen many interests, and you could forgive him if he didn't think they were all special. But Kerry has raised more money from Washington lobbyists than any other senator. He's raised over $30 million over the past nine years, and you just ask the folks in the telecom industry if he doesn't make them feel special. You just ask David Paul, one of the big figures in the savings and loan scandal, if Kerry didn't make him feel special. You just ask the high-tech executive Bob Majumder how special Kerry made him feel, at least until Majumder was charged with 40 counts of conspiracy, witness tampering, fraud, tax evasion and illegal campaign contributions. You just ask the law firms, the brokerage houses, the oil companies, the H.M.O.'s and the drug companies, which have donated tens of thousands of dollars to Kerry. Oh, he sometimes pretends that he doesn't care about our special interests. He puts on that callous populist facade. But deep down he cares. Maybe he cares too much. When he's out on the stump saying otherwise, he's just being a big old phony." 2:Cough.... Wednesday, Feb. 4, 2004 11:26 a.m. EST "Sen. John Kerry and his media boosters are hoping bogus allegations that President Bush went AWOL from the National Guard will catapult him into the White House - but during the 1992 presidential campaign, Kerry angrily denounced Bush's father for raising Bill Clinton's Vietnam draft record. In fact, back then, Kerry called those who wanted to make Vietnam service an issue "cowardly." "I'm here personally to express my anger, as a veteran," Kerry told National Public Radio two months before the 1992 election, "that a president who would stand before this nation in his inaugural address and promise to put Vietnam behind us is now breaking yet another promise and trying to use Vietnam and service in order to get himself re-elected." "That is not an act of leadership, that is an act of shame and cowardice," the Massachusetts Democrat railed. In words that could now apply to his own presidential campaign, Kerry complained to reporters a month later that White House charges suggesting Clinton had gone AWOL from the draft were an ugly smear. "It is a sad day when the president of the United States is willing to sully another man's reputation and challenge his patriotism merely to get elected," the current Democratic front-runner groused. Tuesday night, Kerry pulled a 180-degree about-face on the issue of using a candidate's Vietnam-era military record, telling Fox News Channel's "Hannity & Colmes," "There is an issue about what [bush's] service was - and I don't know the answers." Saying he would defend Bush's decision to enlist in the Guard, Kerry rattled off a long list of Vietnam-era options that lumped Guard service in with draft-dodging. "I've never made any judgments about any choice somebody made about avoiding the draft, about going to Canada, going to jail, being a conscientious objector [or] going into the National Guard," he told Sean Hannity. "Those are choices people make."

quote:Originally posted by Supreme Cmdr: Night vision goggles!!! Oh man, very soon they'll be breaking out the silenced MP5's. Yeah, I saw about the NVG's not that long ago today here on the local news. The first thing that crossed my mind was, I wonder how many they are going to catch as they become involved in watching the teens making out in their seats. SUNVG (steamed up night vision goggles) as I call it.

quote:Originally posted by Supreme Cmdr: Going to war is a sacrifice one makes. No matter whose war it is. And with all conflicts, come casualties. The world is a MUCH better place today for wars like WW1, WW2 and the imaginary (only because it didn't play out like a full fledged war) Cold War. All I can do is thank the brave men and women who get to make these decisions and put others in harm's way. Hell, I'm glad I don't have to live with it. That's the point I was bringing across without coming right out and saying it. I wasn't discrediting FDR about WWII one bit. In fact, if only we had entered that war earlier think of the relief of all the suffering and death of those in the concentration camps and countries had endured because of one tyrant. But, the majority of American citizens just didn't want to get involved in a war. FDR did what he had to do. The rest is history. Bush didn't go to such extremes, he was given the intelligence information and he acted on it immediately and he made his case to us and the world based on that intelligence.

quote:Originally posted by Supreme Cmdr: Going to war is a sacrifice one makes. No matter whose war it is. And with all conflicts, come casualties. The world is a MUCH better place today for wars like WW1, WW2 and the imaginary (only because it didn't play out like a full fledged war) Cold War. All I can do is thank the brave men and women who get to make these decisions and put others in harm's way. Hell, I'm glad I don't have to live with it. That's the point I was bringing across without coming right out and saying it. I wasn't discrediting FDR about WWII one bit. In fact, if only we had entered that war earlier think of the relief of all the suffering and death of those in the concentration camps and countries had endured because of one tyrant. But, the majority of American citizens just didn't want to get involved in a war. FDR did what he had to do. The rest is history. Bush didn't go to such extremes, he was given the intelligence information and he acted on it immediately and he made his case to us and the world based on that intelligence.

quote:Originally posted by Supreme Cmdr: Oh boy. I had no idea. How'd you find this stuff? I use dogpile for my searches and I just typed "Willig Piano Services". Frankly, I didn't think I was going to find anything. Well, other than the usual business listing. My eye's boggled when I saw that link. In fact, it was the first returned result in the list. Here's the listings I got: 1. Slavery Reparations - We Won't Pay ... would never pay. 37, Troy Willig / AAA Piano Services, Kansas, Some points and questions about yesterdays rally ... more. 38, Danette ... http://www.wewontpay.com/who.html 2. Technicians ... AAA Piano Services / Willig & Sons [email protected] 316-529-8863 (TUNE) USA Wichita/Sedgwick Kansas 2 Professionally Trained Technicians & Tuners. ... http://www.equaltemperament.com/piano/tech...ns/default.ht... 3. The Music of John Hill Hewitt (1801-1890) ... to request copies from the Photoduplication Services Division there ... Tambour), Hewitt, Baltimore: George Willig, Jr. Greek March (for Piano) , none, Baltimore: George ... http://www.pdmusic.org/hewitt.html 4. New York's World Trade Center: Tall Stories ... the future Th├®r├¿se Fortier Willig, was working ... the flagstones and firefighters doused the burning piano. ... solvent while maintaining services, their dependency ... http://ericdarton.net/html/tallstories.html 5. Slavery Reparations - We Won't Pay Full Pledge Commments from Troy Willig / AAA Piano Services. Some points and questions about yesterdays rally. 1st... I would like ... ]http://www.wewontpay.com/pl37.html and more... Don't ask me why I even bothered doing a search on the guy. I've been in uber internet search mode since delving into that political stuff in the other threads. Ah, what was one more search.

quote:Originally posted by street: Just because, in hien-sight, ONE writer's historic research, has ONE theory, as to a particular president, Not one writer's hindsight it's not hien-sight. Ah, public school education. Wonderful ain't it. Anyway, I already knew about the events that led up to WWII in reference to FDR and everyone of the events in that link is dead on. I used it only as a reference to events. Here's more: PEARL HARBOR MOTHER OF ALL CONSPIRACIES. quote:Originally posted by street: I do find it amusing, that one of YOU finally ADMITS: BUSH to be a LIER, but now try to justify it.I did? I used that reference to you Bush bashers as a case-in-point. Since you do believe that Bush did lie ,there was good reason for him to do it. "You can" is what I said not "I can". quote:Originally posted by street: during a time of REAL war, with a REAL threat, has NO valid comparrison, as to what BUSH has done..Excuse me if I'm wrong, but didn't we declare war on Terrorists no matter what country they take refuge in? This is not a real war? This is not a real threat? I'd like to see your definition of war and threat. However, You are right there is no comparison to what Bush has done because there was no doubt about it he was taking this issue of war by the horns and he made no secret of it unlike FDR and his sneaky manuevers to get us into a conflict. [ 07-01-2004, 02:12 PM: Message edited by: LostInSpace ]

quote:Originally posted by street: Just because, in hien-sight, ONE writer's historic research, has ONE theory, as to a particular president, Not one writer's hindsight it's not hien-sight. Ah, public school education. Wonderful ain't it. Anyway, I already knew about the events that led up to WWII in reference to FDR and everyone of the events in that link is dead on. I used it only as a reference to events. Here's more: PEARL HARBOR MOTHER OF ALL CONSPIRACIES. quote:Originally posted by street: I do find it amusing, that one of YOU finally ADMITS: BUSH to be a LIER, but now try to justify it.I did? I used that reference to you Bush bashers as a case-in-point. Since you do believe that Bush did lie ,there was good reason for him to do it. "You can" is what I said not "I can". quote:Originally posted by street: during a time of REAL war, with a REAL threat, has NO valid comparrison, as to what BUSH has done..Excuse me if I'm wrong, but didn't we declare war on Terrorists no matter what country they take refuge in? This is not a real war? This is not a real threat? I'd like to see your definition of war and threat. However, You are right there is no comparison to what Bush has done because there was no doubt about it he was taking this issue of war by the horns and he made no secret of it unlike FDR and his sneaky manuevers to get us into a conflict. [ 07-01-2004, 02:12 PM: Message edited by: LostInSpace ]

Well, this explains alot about his attitude. Slavery Reparations: We won't pay Full Pledge Commments from Troy Willig / AAA Piano Services I wouldn't let this guy anywhere near my piano. God only knows what kind of frustration he'd take out on the ebony keys. [ 07-01-2004, 12:35 PM: Message edited by: LostInSpace ]

quote:Originally posted by Enigma: America isnt the America it used to be. If you mean by that we are no longer nieve, then you are correct. quote:Originally posted by Street: ONLY REAL crises, we appear to be in(since 9/11) is an administration pushing ideologic rhetoric, which circumnavigates EVERY PRINCIPLE, on which our country was founded.Please, this country was founded in conflict and rhetoric. And with each new conflict there's been enough ideological rhetoric to last a millennium. This is nothing new. American's are by far a lazy bunch at heart and you need alot of rhetoric to stoke up the flames. On the issue of Bush and his so called decieving us, take a look at this: How Franklin Roosevelt Lied America Into War Well there's a twist. He kept telling America we are not going to war meanwhile sowing the seeds for it. While Bush laid the cards on the table for all to see. "Franklin Roosevelt repeatedly deceived the American people during the period before Pearl Harbor ... He was like the physician who must tell the patient lies for the patient's own good ... The country was overwhelmingly noninterventionist to the very day of Pearl Harbor, and an overt attempt to lead the people into war would have resulted in certain failure and an almost certain ousting of Roosevelt in 1940, with a complete defeat of his ultimate aims." But "A president who cannot entrust the people with the truth betrays a certain lack of faith in the basic tenets of democracy. But because the masses are notoriously shortsighted and generally cannot see danger until it is at their throats, our statesmen are forced to deceive them into an awareness of their own long-run interests. This is clearly what Roosevelt had to do, and who shall say that posterity will not thank him for it?" You can easily replace Roosevelt's name in that with Bush's.

quote:Originally posted by Enigma: America isnt the America it used to be. If you mean by that we are no longer nieve, then you are correct. quote:Originally posted by Street: ONLY REAL crises, we appear to be in(since 9/11) is an administration pushing ideologic rhetoric, which circumnavigates EVERY PRINCIPLE, on which our country was founded.Please, this country was founded in conflict and rhetoric. And with each new conflict there's been enough ideological rhetoric to last a millennium. This is nothing new. American's are by far a lazy bunch at heart and you need alot of rhetoric to stoke up the flames. On the issue of Bush and his so called decieving us, take a look at this: How Franklin Roosevelt Lied America Into War Well there's a twist. He kept telling America we are not going to war meanwhile sowing the seeds for it. While Bush laid the cards on the table for all to see. "Franklin Roosevelt repeatedly deceived the American people during the period before Pearl Harbor ... He was like the physician who must tell the patient lies for the patient's own good ... The country was overwhelmingly noninterventionist to the very day of Pearl Harbor, and an overt attempt to lead the people into war would have resulted in certain failure and an almost certain ousting of Roosevelt in 1940, with a complete defeat of his ultimate aims." But "A president who cannot entrust the people with the truth betrays a certain lack of faith in the basic tenets of democracy. But because the masses are notoriously shortsighted and generally cannot see danger until it is at their throats, our statesmen are forced to deceive them into an awareness of their own long-run interests. This is clearly what Roosevelt had to do, and who shall say that posterity will not thank him for it?" You can easily replace Roosevelt's name in that with Bush's.

quote:Realize the Facts! From Teddy via Starke: There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of January..... In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January. That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war torn country of Iraq. When some claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war, state the following ... FDR... led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year. Truman... finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per year. John F. Kennedy... started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. Johnson... turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year. Clinton.... went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions. In the two years since terrorists attacked us President Bush has ... liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but... It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51 day operation. We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records. It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick. It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!!

quote:Realize the Facts! From Teddy via Starke: There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of January..... In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January. That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war torn country of Iraq. When some claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war, state the following ... FDR... led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year. Truman... finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per year. John F. Kennedy... started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. Johnson... turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year. Clinton.... went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions. In the two years since terrorists attacked us President Bush has ... liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but... It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51 day operation. We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records. It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick. It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!!

quote:Originally posted by Wolferz: Whether you want to admit it or not, the Republicans, especially Bush, are laughing all the way to the bank, to deposit the money they are stealing from the treasury. In answer to this go here And Kerry is better or different than Bush how?.

quote:Originally posted by Wolferz: Whether you want to admit it or not, the Republicans, especially Bush, are laughing all the way to the bank, to deposit the money they are stealing from the treasury. In answer to this go here And Kerry is better or different than Bush how?.

Just because he's a democrat!? Why does Kerry sound like Bush? Kerry's Fundraising Shows Large Corporate Donations Senator John F. Kerry financial disclosure. Kerry Carries Water for Top Donor [ 06-30-2004, 12:45 PM: Message edited by: LostInSpace ]

Just because he's a democrat!? Why does Kerry sound like Bush? Kerry's Fundraising Shows Large Corporate Donations Senator John F. Kerry financial disclosure. Kerry Carries Water for Top Donor [ 06-30-2004, 12:45 PM: Message edited by: LostInSpace ]

quote:Originally posted by Steve Schacher: From the mouths of Left-leaning news organizations... If only they would research their own archives before writing their current stories... The sad thing is I think they do read them but they interpret them the Moorian way to suit their needs.

quote:Originally posted by Steve Schacher: From the mouths of Left-leaning news organizations... If only they would research their own archives before writing their current stories... The sad thing is I think they do read them but they interpret them the Moorian way to suit their needs.