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quote:Originally posted by street:

quote:Originally posted by street:

Don't know how many of you are aware of a letter Moore sent to bush before we went to war. A Letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush on the Eve of War 1:"(talk radio nutters and Fox News aside)" proves my point from another thread that democrats and liberals don't think any one else besides the liberal media should be allowed to voice their oppinion. If they they do, liberals and democrats label them as nutters. "Trust me on this one. Walk out of the White House and on to any street in America and try to find five people who are passionate about wanting to kill Iraqis. You won't find them!" Yeah, well I'm one, everyone in my family is a bunch more and Jaguar makes more. So what is he talking about. Unless he means it the way he does it, he talks to everyone and edits out the ones that don't mesh with his stance. 2: Again, Jobs, the market and the economy have been doing that for as long as this country has been in existence and even long before that too. With many wars too along with it. 3:I love it when people try to speak for "me". Shut the hell up already. I can speak for myself thank you very much. 4:The Pope? Has he seen the history of the Church? Riddled with nothing but blood shed. It'll take a few million years to make up for the church's sin. Like the Pope should talk about war is Sin. And don't hand me that crap about a peace loving and benevolent God. He nuked two cities Soddom and Gamorah because the occupants were having too much fun. As for the Dixie chicks, where are they now? Who knows. I sure as hell have not seen hide nor hair of them since then. 5: "Of the 535 members of Congress, only ONE (Sen. Johnson of South Dakota) has an enlisted son or daughter in the armed forces! If you really want to stand up for America, please send your twin daughters over to Kuwait right now and let them don their chemical warfare suits." Look who's talking. He has so much conviction in his own drivel "I currently have two cameramen/reporters doing work for me in Iraq for my movie (unbeknownst to the Army). They are talking to soldiers and gathering the true sentiment about what is really going on.". Moore himself didn't have the guts to even do that himself. Sending two people into a conflict zone shows just as much respect for life he claims Bush doesn't have. Stone throwers, you gotta love em. 6:"Finally, we love France." We do? Who's we? Don't include me in that we you [censored]. "That it was their help in the Revolutionary War that won it for us?" Well, like "us" with Iraq, they had their motives too. Like giving it to the English and as a benefit of that they'd secure cheap trade with the U.S. with it's bountiful resources. Yeah, the French had their motives. As for the last bits of the letter. We can all rest assured he's not Nostradamus that's for sure. Was he ever wrong. Gives one real faith in that movie of his doesn't it. [ 06-28-2004, 10:39 PM: Message edited by: LostInSpace ]

Don't know how many of you are aware of a letter Moore sent to bush before we went to war. A Letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush on the Eve of War 1:"(talk radio nutters and Fox News aside)" proves my point from another thread that democrats and liberals don't think any one else besides the liberal media should be allowed to voice their oppinion. If they they do, liberals and democrats label them as nutters. "Trust me on this one. Walk out of the White House and on to any street in America and try to find five people who are passionate about wanting to kill Iraqis. You won't find them!" Yeah, well I'm one, everyone in my family is a bunch more and Jaguar makes more. So what is he talking about. Unless he means it the way he does it, he talks to everyone and edits out the ones that don't mesh with his stance. 2: Again, Jobs, the market and the economy have been doing that for as long as this country has been in existence and even long before that too. With many wars too along with it. 3:I love it when people try to speak for "me". Shut the hell up already. I can speak for myself thank you very much. 4:The Pope? Has he seen the history of the Church? Riddled with nothing but blood shed. It'll take a few million years to make up for the church's sin. Like the Pope should talk about war is Sin. And don't hand me that crap about a peace loving and benevolent God. He nuked two cities Soddom and Gamorah because the occupants were having too much fun. As for the Dixie chicks, where are they now? Who knows. I sure as hell have not seen hide nor hair of them since then. 5: "Of the 535 members of Congress, only ONE (Sen. Johnson of South Dakota) has an enlisted son or daughter in the armed forces! If you really want to stand up for America, please send your twin daughters over to Kuwait right now and let them don their chemical warfare suits." Look who's talking. He has so much conviction in his own drivel "I currently have two cameramen/reporters doing work for me in Iraq for my movie (unbeknownst to the Army). They are talking to soldiers and gathering the true sentiment about what is really going on.". Moore himself didn't have the guts to even do that himself. Sending two people into a conflict zone shows just as much respect for life he claims Bush doesn't have. Stone throwers, you gotta love em. 6:"Finally, we love France." We do? Who's we? Don't include me in that we you [censored]. "That it was their help in the Revolutionary War that won it for us?" Well, like "us" with Iraq, they had their motives too. Like giving it to the English and as a benefit of that they'd secure cheap trade with the U.S. with it's bountiful resources. Yeah, the French had their motives. As for the last bits of the letter. We can all rest assured he's not Nostradamus that's for sure. Was he ever wrong. Gives one real faith in that movie of his doesn't it. [ 06-28-2004, 10:39 PM: Message edited by: LostInSpace ]

quote:Originally posted by Jaguar: quote:Originally posted by street: quote:Leaving before the Iraqi's are prepared to provide their own security will be giving terrorists a new operating theater. WE GAVE alqueda that(a new operating theater), when we attacked that country(IRAQ) and drove it into anarchy....GET REAL!! We will most likely have troops in iraq for many years to come.(both officially and in a non-official capacity, just as we do NOW, though the numbers of each will swing) You don't ACTUALLY believe that, do you? I guess some of them have not taken the time to read my posts in the other threads and the links in them. If they did, they would not still be holding on to that fable about Al-Qaeda not being in Iraq long before we attacked them. Osama-Saddam links 9-11 commission missed Overwhelming evidence of connection between al-Qaida, Iraq before attack. quote:The London Telegraph reported last December the discovery of a secret memo to Hussein that gives details of a visit by Atta to Baghdad just weeks before the 9-11 attacks. Information obtained by Iraq's coalition goverment indicated Atta was trained in Baghdad by Palestinian terrorist Abu Nidal. "We are uncovering evidence all the time of Saddam's involvement with al-Qaida," said Dr Ayad Allawi, a member of Iraq's ruling seven-man presidential committee, according to the London paper. "But this is the most compelling piece of evidence that we have found so far," he said. "It shows that not only did Saddam have contacts with al-Qaida, he had contact with those responsible for the September 11 attacks." Putin says Iraq planned US attack [ 06-28-2004, 09:14 PM: Message edited by: LostInSpace ]

quote:Originally posted by Jaguar: quote:Originally posted by street: quote:Leaving before the Iraqi's are prepared to provide their own security will be giving terrorists a new operating theater. WE GAVE alqueda that(a new operating theater), when we attacked that country(IRAQ) and drove it into anarchy....GET REAL!! We will most likely have troops in iraq for many years to come.(both officially and in a non-official capacity, just as we do NOW, though the numbers of each will swing) You don't ACTUALLY believe that, do you? I guess some of them have not taken the time to read my posts in the other threads and the links in them. If they did, they would not still be holding on to that fable about Al-Qaeda not being in Iraq long before we attacked them. Osama-Saddam links 9-11 commission missed Overwhelming evidence of connection between al-Qaida, Iraq before attack. quote:The London Telegraph reported last December the discovery of a secret memo to Hussein that gives details of a visit by Atta to Baghdad just weeks before the 9-11 attacks. Information obtained by Iraq's coalition goverment indicated Atta was trained in Baghdad by Palestinian terrorist Abu Nidal. "We are uncovering evidence all the time of Saddam's involvement with al-Qaida," said Dr Ayad Allawi, a member of Iraq's ruling seven-man presidential committee, according to the London paper. "But this is the most compelling piece of evidence that we have found so far," he said. "It shows that not only did Saddam have contacts with al-Qaida, he had contact with those responsible for the September 11 attacks." Putin says Iraq planned US attack [ 06-28-2004, 09:14 PM: Message edited by: LostInSpace ]

quote:Originally posted by Kartoffel: his tax cuts for the rich... Need I go on? Yeah, well, your friend Micheal Moore is among those rich people and I don't hear him complaining about it. Nope, not one peep. Remember, you raise the taxes on the rich you are raising them on Moore also. So yes I say tax them rich people even more and put Moore at the head of that list. In fact, it was probably the tax breaks you are talking about that afforded him to put more content into that drivel of a movie of his. Think about that.

quote:Originally posted by Kartoffel: his tax cuts for the rich... Need I go on? Yeah, well, your friend Micheal Moore is among those rich people and I don't hear him complaining about it. Nope, not one peep. Remember, you raise the taxes on the rich you are raising them on Moore also. So yes I say tax them rich people even more and put Moore at the head of that list. In fact, it was probably the tax breaks you are talking about that afforded him to put more content into that drivel of a movie of his. Think about that.

quote:Originally posted by Supreme Cmdr: In fact, I'm gonna get even. I'm gonna vote for Clinton. Again!! Why not vote for someone who will not cause so much controversy or piss anyone off while in office and that is Ronald Reagan in fact he won't do a damn thing I can tell you that for certain. [ 06-28-2004, 09:23 PM: Message edited by: LostInSpace ]

quote:Originally posted by Supreme Cmdr: In fact, I'm gonna get even. I'm gonna vote for Clinton. Again!! Why not vote for someone who will not cause so much controversy or piss anyone off while in office and that is Ronald Reagan in fact he won't do a damn thing I can tell you that for certain. [ 06-28-2004, 09:23 PM: Message edited by: LostInSpace ]

quote:Originally posted by Jaguar: All I gotta say is this, Thanks LIS, you kept the level headed real world represented while I was gone. Thank you very much!!! Where the Dreamlandis, these other guys live in is beyond me. The facts show the REAL world, and the world they live in isn't CLOSE to the real world. Thanks!! My pleasure. To them, unfortunately, the liberal media is the real world and they believe this to be the facts. Of course, you already know this. Only time will prove us out. But I don't think "in time" will do for the console fifteen minuter attention span. I want it now. I said now not yesterday, not tomorrow but now!!

quote:Originally posted by Jaguar: All I gotta say is this, Thanks LIS, you kept the level headed real world represented while I was gone. Thank you very much!!! Where the Dreamlandis, these other guys live in is beyond me. The facts show the REAL world, and the world they live in isn't CLOSE to the real world. Thanks!! My pleasure. To them, unfortunately, the liberal media is the real world and they believe this to be the facts. Of course, you already know this. Only time will prove us out. But I don't think "in time" will do for the console fifteen minuter attention span. I want it now. I said now not yesterday, not tomorrow but now!!

Well it's 2:53am and just turned on the news that we handed over sovereign Iraqi just now. Two days before it was suppose to happen.

Well it's 2:53am and just turned on the news that we handed over sovereign Iraqi just now. Two days before it was suppose to happen.

quote:Originally posted by Steve Schacher: BTW, do you know how that story turned out? It was placed by a graveyard shift railyard worker so that he could tell when the boss was approaching in order to take naps. With 20/20 hindsight, should a warning have not been issued? Yup, I remember that well. I laughed though when I heard the reason for the sensor. Got to give that guy some credit he sure knows how to stay one step ahead of the boss. quote:Originally posted by Kartoffel: What they're likely trying to do with this is to get the public in a near-panic, like it was after 9/11Panic, what panic? Did you not read or see the news during 9/11. I watched the second tower from my window get hit and seeing them both in smoke then they fell, well I'm still alive but I'm not sure of the long term affects from all that crap spewing into the air from the collapse of the towers, and the people here in NY city carried themselves very well. Well, we all carried on the next day and the next one after that and so on. No panic or histeria. Just doing what we needed to do. There was more anger than there was panic I can tell ya.

quote:Originally posted by Steve Schacher: BTW, do you know how that story turned out? It was placed by a graveyard shift railyard worker so that he could tell when the boss was approaching in order to take naps. With 20/20 hindsight, should a warning have not been issued? Yup, I remember that well. I laughed though when I heard the reason for the sensor. Got to give that guy some credit he sure knows how to stay one step ahead of the boss. quote:Originally posted by Kartoffel: What they're likely trying to do with this is to get the public in a near-panic, like it was after 9/11Panic, what panic? Did you not read or see the news during 9/11. I watched the second tower from my window get hit and seeing them both in smoke then they fell, well I'm still alive but I'm not sure of the long term affects from all that crap spewing into the air from the collapse of the towers, and the people here in NY city carried themselves very well. Well, we all carried on the next day and the next one after that and so on. No panic or histeria. Just doing what we needed to do. There was more anger than there was panic I can tell ya.

Phew the guy on this website did all the work for me (even though it only touches a little on Moore MOOREWATCH is dedicated to unearthing the truth behind the doublespeak and falsehood that spews from the mouth (and keyboard) of Michael Moore and Moore's Distortion . Sorry guys but I'm going to do something that is going to make a lot of you cringe and curse at me. I'm going to obtain a bootleg of this movie. I mean common guys this movie/drivel cries bootlegging. I will not spend one dime on it I tell ya that will add more to Moore's millions. I'd rather give it to the bootlegger in this case. This way I can take my time going point by point on the issues of it. [ 06-28-2004, 02:06 AM: Message edited by: LostInSpace ]

Phew the guy on this website did all the work for me (even though it only touches a little on Moore MOOREWATCH is dedicated to unearthing the truth behind the doublespeak and falsehood that spews from the mouth (and keyboard) of Michael Moore and Moore's Distortion . Sorry guys but I'm going to do something that is going to make a lot of you cringe and curse at me. I'm going to obtain a bootleg of this movie. I mean common guys this movie/drivel cries bootlegging. I will not spend one dime on it I tell ya that will add more to Moore's millions. I'd rather give it to the bootlegger in this case. This way I can take my time going point by point on the issues of it. [ 06-28-2004, 02:06 AM: Message edited by: LostInSpace ]

quote:Originally posted by Supreme Cmdr: quote:Originally posted by LostInSpace: You need to setup your system profile like the one I have at the bottom of this message. uhm, he can't. He doesn't yet own the game. my blunder!! I forgot he was talking about the demos. Oh, these embarrassing moments. I appologize to George and SC for this mistake. Forget the manual then and forget the System Profile just search the board for any info about a particular Ship System and just take your time working with them.

quote:Originally posted by Takvah: Of course Powell said that, you bought that? Well what did I think you'd do right? You bought off on the rationale yet I have provided you proof that oil is the interest and not the "terrorists". 1:We left Afghanistan when? We left Afghanistan why? 2:Did we accomplish the mission? 3:What was the mission? 4:Do you even remember? Look... I know when I'm dealing with a Kool Aid swilling robot... so I'm done with this. Hopefully you are not of age to vote and if you are that you are in a state where it doesn't matter. Oh NY... SWEEEEEET. Later. 1: There you go again. Thinking that anything we do can be done with lightning speed. 2: You need me (the kool aid swilling robot) to answer that for you? Let's see... The tailiban is gone and so are the Al-Qaeda training camps and Bin Laden is on the run because of it. Hmm, I guess it was a total failure. 3: #2. 4: The question should be DO YOU? Just because the liberal media has dropped Afghanistan from it's airwaves because it's well past it's intrest to the 15 minute attention span public, does not mean that nothing is being done there. But then again we'll never know how much is being done because the liberal media is now giving all it's attention to Iraq and trying to discredit Bush for the election year. If you haven't already, I suggest you read this book Misunderestimated: The President Battles Terrorism, John Kerry, and the Bush Haters "Misunderestimated also meticulously tracks the rise of the Bush haters, a disturbing political phenomenon that colors everything from the war on terrorism to the presidential campaign. The impact extends to the press, which Sammon exposes for racing to brand Operation Iraqi Freedom another Vietnam "quagmire" less than eighteen months after making the same blunder during the Afghan war." I'm not giving you the sources of the quotes below because I want you to do your own search. A brief history of Powell: "Powell was a professional soldier for 35 years, during which time he held a variety of command and staff positions and rose to the rank of 4-star General. His last assignment, from October 1, 1989 to September 30, 1993, was as the 12th Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the highest military position in the Department of Defense. During this time, he oversaw 28 crises, including Operation Desert Storm in the 1991 Persian Gulf War." If you believe, with a background as impressive as that, that Bush in any way never at least consulted with Powell about an Iraq War plan you might as well just say to me that Clinton didn't have sexual relations with Lewinsky. I'd even bet that if told your drivel to a donkey (jack A$$) he'd kick ya. More: "the Bush administration was adamant about Hussein's removal, so Powell eventually agreed to go along with the plan - but only after Bush agreed to some concessions. The main concession Powell wanted was the involvement of the international community in the invasion, as opposed to a unilaterial approach" And this: A statement by Powell February 5, 2002 (OPENING STATEMENT SECRETARY OF STATE COLIN L. POWELL AT BUDGET HEARING BEFORE THE SENATE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE): "At the end of the day, we have not ruled out other options with respect to Iraq. We still believe strongly in regime change in Iraq and we look forward to the day when a democratic, representative government at peace with its neighbors leads Iraq to rejoin the family of nations. Other options? What could that be? Oh yeah, A WAR PLAN. And here's more aboutSaddam's connections to bin Laden/al-Qaeda/911. As for the Oil company connection. The American puplic has only itself to blame for it with their voracious appetite for this commodity and the industry's challenge to keep up with the demand. Until you start using renewable energy sources and lessen your demand for oil, I'd keep quiet about it because you as well as I are part of this problem. [ 06-28-2004, 03:41 AM: Message edited by: LostInSpace ]

quote:Originally posted by Takvah: Of course Powell said that, you bought that? Well what did I think you'd do right? You bought off on the rationale yet I have provided you proof that oil is the interest and not the "terrorists". 1:We left Afghanistan when? We left Afghanistan why? 2:Did we accomplish the mission? 3:What was the mission? 4:Do you even remember? Look... I know when I'm dealing with a Kool Aid swilling robot... so I'm done with this. Hopefully you are not of age to vote and if you are that you are in a state where it doesn't matter. Oh NY... SWEEEEEET. Later. 1: There you go again. Thinking that anything we do can be done with lightning speed. 2: You need me (the kool aid swilling robot) to answer that for you? Let's see... The tailiban is gone and so are the Al-Qaeda training camps and Bin Laden is on the run because of it. Hmm, I guess it was a total failure. 3: #2. 4: The question should be DO YOU? Just because the liberal media has dropped Afghanistan from it's airwaves because it's well past it's intrest to the 15 minute attention span public, does not mean that nothing is being done there. But then again we'll never know how much is being done because the liberal media is now giving all it's attention to Iraq and trying to discredit Bush for the election year. If you haven't already, I suggest you read this book Misunderestimated: The President Battles Terrorism, John Kerry, and the Bush Haters "Misunderestimated also meticulously tracks the rise of the Bush haters, a disturbing political phenomenon that colors everything from the war on terrorism to the presidential campaign. The impact extends to the press, which Sammon exposes for racing to brand Operation Iraqi Freedom another Vietnam "quagmire" less than eighteen months after making the same blunder during the Afghan war." I'm not giving you the sources of the quotes below because I want you to do your own search. A brief history of Powell: "Powell was a professional soldier for 35 years, during which time he held a variety of command and staff positions and rose to the rank of 4-star General. His last assignment, from October 1, 1989 to September 30, 1993, was as the 12th Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the highest military position in the Department of Defense. During this time, he oversaw 28 crises, including Operation Desert Storm in the 1991 Persian Gulf War." If you believe, with a background as impressive as that, that Bush in any way never at least consulted with Powell about an Iraq War plan you might as well just say to me that Clinton didn't have sexual relations with Lewinsky. I'd even bet that if told your drivel to a donkey (jack A$$) he'd kick ya. More: "the Bush administration was adamant about Hussein's removal, so Powell eventually agreed to go along with the plan - but only after Bush agreed to some concessions. The main concession Powell wanted was the involvement of the international community in the invasion, as opposed to a unilaterial approach" And this: A statement by Powell February 5, 2002 (OPENING STATEMENT SECRETARY OF STATE COLIN L. POWELL AT BUDGET HEARING BEFORE THE SENATE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE): "At the end of the day, we have not ruled out other options with respect to Iraq. We still believe strongly in regime change in Iraq and we look forward to the day when a democratic, representative government at peace with its neighbors leads Iraq to rejoin the family of nations. Other options? What could that be? Oh yeah, A WAR PLAN. And here's more aboutSaddam's connections to bin Laden/al-Qaeda/911. As for the Oil company connection. The American puplic has only itself to blame for it with their voracious appetite for this commodity and the industry's challenge to keep up with the demand. Until you start using renewable energy sources and lessen your demand for oil, I'd keep quiet about it because you as well as I are part of this problem. [ 06-28-2004, 03:41 AM: Message edited by: LostInSpace ]

quote:Originally posted by George: ok it is worth! but tell me how to start! and something else, what other games of this kind (space sims) there are? any suggestions! Thx for your help! i need it! 1: You need to setup your system profile like the one I have at the bottom of this message. 2: Read the manual. Run the game (keeping the manual on hand) and use the manual to try out all the ships functions. IE: Radar, tacops etc... 3: Don't be in such a rush. As the famous Yoda is quoted "Patience, patience, you must learn patience." This is not a game you are going to learn in one sitting. But once you do it's amazing. 4: See the top right of this board "my profile | login | register | search | faq | forum home" Select SEARCH and type in the search box any issue you have. 100% sure you will find your answers there to any issue you may have.

quote:Originally posted by Takvah: Wrongo, show me the evidence for that. The only war plan that was leaked was from Chalabi to the Iranians. SHOW YOU THE EVIDENCE? Were you under a rock when Bob Woodward released his book? Did you miss that idiot Bandar on Larry King talking about it when Woodward was on? I guess you did. Well look it up. Prince Bandar saw the Iraq warplan BEFORE Colin Powell did. That's a fact.Oh, that drivel. More supply of toilet for me. The same book that claims Bush and Saudi's made a secret deal to keep oil prices low until after November. Ooooookkkkaaaaayyy. Well here's Powell's take on that Saudi warplan issue. POWELL:"I was present whenever these plans were presented. I worked on them, I was consulted on them, they were presented to the National Security Council. I was present whenever these plans were presented. So first, to suggest that a plan was presented to Prince Bandar that I was not familiar with is just flat wrong," Powell told reporters. "No decision was communicated [ahead of time] to Prince Bandar on the president's decision to go to war." quote:I am neither liberal, nor left-wing. This is just a travesty of government that I will NOT stand for. I suppose when you say you are of a different opinion you have to abandon all rational thought. I suppose if it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck... it might still be a chicken for you. OK. But when you base your rational thought on just one source you throw all that out the window. Well if ya talk like a liberal and sound like a liberal you're a liberal no matter what disquise you are wearing. quote: what I do not support is Bush or the mission in Iraq. Afghanistan I supported and STILL support... that was just... Iraq is not. END OF STORY. That's fine by me. But it is a pity that you are only thinking in the short term about Iraq. It was a threat to the entire region. If you think that none of the other Arab countries wanted him gone, think again. You may not agree, based on your single liberal media source, but it was a tentacle of Al-Qaeda. As for pissing off some of our allies namely the French and German and whatever other European country or non european one for that matter. Screw them. They need us more than we need them. Time after time we've given them military and economic support. But when it comes time for America to stand up for itself they say "NO" not without the okay of everyone else. We must hold your hand because you are still a young nation and need our guidance and wisdom. Did any foreign country offer us anything besides condolences on 9/11? If a disaster strikes around the world, the U.S. is there with support and money and eagerly accepted. Do you know what our response was about 9/11, besides banging the war drum, to the world "We need to help the poorer countries". To hell with them is all I have to say. [ 06-28-2004, 03:37 AM: Message edited by: LostInSpace ]

quote:Originally posted by Takvah: Wrongo, show me the evidence for that. The only war plan that was leaked was from Chalabi to the Iranians. SHOW YOU THE EVIDENCE? Were you under a rock when Bob Woodward released his book? Did you miss that idiot Bandar on Larry King talking about it when Woodward was on? I guess you did. Well look it up. Prince Bandar saw the Iraq warplan BEFORE Colin Powell did. That's a fact.Oh, that drivel. More supply of toilet for me. The same book that claims Bush and Saudi's made a secret deal to keep oil prices low until after November. Ooooookkkkaaaaayyy. Well here's Powell's take on that Saudi warplan issue. POWELL:"I was present whenever these plans were presented. I worked on them, I was consulted on them, they were presented to the National Security Council. I was present whenever these plans were presented. So first, to suggest that a plan was presented to Prince Bandar that I was not familiar with is just flat wrong," Powell told reporters. "No decision was communicated [ahead of time] to Prince Bandar on the president's decision to go to war." quote:I am neither liberal, nor left-wing. This is just a travesty of government that I will NOT stand for. I suppose when you say you are of a different opinion you have to abandon all rational thought. I suppose if it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck... it might still be a chicken for you. OK. But when you base your rational thought on just one source you throw all that out the window. Well if ya talk like a liberal and sound like a liberal you're a liberal no matter what disquise you are wearing. quote: what I do not support is Bush or the mission in Iraq. Afghanistan I supported and STILL support... that was just... Iraq is not. END OF STORY. That's fine by me. But it is a pity that you are only thinking in the short term about Iraq. It was a threat to the entire region. If you think that none of the other Arab countries wanted him gone, think again. You may not agree, based on your single liberal media source, but it was a tentacle of Al-Qaeda. As for pissing off some of our allies namely the French and German and whatever other European country or non european one for that matter. Screw them. They need us more than we need them. Time after time we've given them military and economic support. But when it comes time for America to stand up for itself they say "NO" not without the okay of everyone else. We must hold your hand because you are still a young nation and need our guidance and wisdom. Did any foreign country offer us anything besides condolences on 9/11? If a disaster strikes around the world, the U.S. is there with support and money and eagerly accepted. Do you know what our response was about 9/11, besides banging the war drum, to the world "We need to help the poorer countries". To hell with them is all I have to say. [ 06-28-2004, 03:37 AM: Message edited by: LostInSpace ]

This is getting like a soap opera. First there's the death of interplay. Then we find out that interplay is still alive and that titus is the one that is actually dead. Now we find out a that interplay is expecting a little baby. Can't wait for the next chapter in this on going saga. Will the baby go full term or is there an abortion in the near future. Can't wait.