LostInSpace

quote:Originally posted by Cmdr Chavik: LostInSpace needs to retire current machine to legacy status and get new one with XP. My machine!!! It's all current!! AMD XP 2000+, 256mb ddr (I know, I know I should have 512 or more), ATI 9600xt, Audigy Platinum it's all in my system stats here. Legacy!! Nah not the machine just the OS.

quote:Originally posted by Jaguar: I had to fall back to Win98SE on the kids machine, because NONE of their games would play on Win2Kpro. OK, 40% of them would, but the other 60% wouldn't, and of course those HAD to be their favorites.Oh yeah, thanks for bringing that up because that's another reason why I'm keeping 98 and that is for playing my old DOS games that have the hankering to play again from time to time. In windows XP playing dos games is dodgy at best you have to go through alot of steps to do that and it's just not worth that kind of hassle.

quote:Originally posted by Jaguar: OMG, someone actually got THAT pregnant? Yup do you know Dennis Miller on his CNBC show said just that.

quote:Originally posted by Chaoticmass: I can understand why some people have problems when they upgrade an older system to XP-- but there's no reason to choose 98SE over XP when you're dealing with new hardware. XP is superior. It has some annoying 'features', but they can be turned off. The actual operating system is much more stable, and installing hardware and drivers is so much easier and trouble free. I dunno I still like windows 98. According to Microsoft, the XP is 10 to 30 times more stable than Windows 98. Is that much of a difference to upgrade 98 to XP? And the amount of security flaws, especially those that have the home edition, that keep cropping up on windows XP makes you think alot about the upgrade also. I'm hanging on to 98 until it's almost impossible to update drivers on it and software drops support for 98 and when they've nailed all the security issues but by then the new OS will be out the working title of it is Longhorn (but you all know about this OS).

quote:Originally posted by echo: Hey wait aren't we changing the subject? Yeah, but we can use a little diversion from time to time. Can't have heated debates all the time ya know. Speaking of which here we go have a read of this and air your opinions Is Abortion Murder? from a Bible Scholar's point of view. Also here's a litte more into the Melissa Ann Rowland case The Salt Lake Tribune. [ 03-15-2004, 09:53 PM: Message edited by: LostInSpace ]

quote:Originally posted by Jaguar: Looks like the terrorists Won in Spain. Chalk up one for the terrorists I suppose. Too bad, this now makes the terrorists that much more aggressive. Their tactics work. Be on guard, this will embolden them. Yup I was thinking that same thing. They didn't even have to invade the country to change the government either. The terrorist planned that whole thing perfectly right before the election. I wonder if they are going to do the same thing right before our elections. Of course, the news media last was claiming the people chose the Socialist party because of the way the conservative government handle the investigation of the bombing at first claiming it was ETA. They are right in that aspect the current government should have stated they don't know who it was/is until the investigation was complete. Anyway it will be interesting to see if they pull this in the other remaining countries that supported us at their election time. Do you know if these other countries have elections coming up?

Scientists may have discovered the solar system's most distant object [ 03-16-2004, 08:34 AM: Message edited by: Supreme Cmdr ]

quote:Originally posted by Cmdr Chavik: P.S. If we're gonna continue with the wasting seed discussion we need to be extra polite. Family forum and all. Agreed, I tried to keep that subject low key with obscured refrences. I have also edit the link for Americans for Purity so that you need to type it in your browser.

quote:Originally posted by Jaguar: 1:I am not hot under the collar. 2:Anyway, she is an idiot, the least that should happen is her child is removed from her custody and a true responsible adult put in charge of it. 3:BTW, what do you all think of Echo's new avatar? 1: Okay, cool, I was just making sure. With the enviornment today, I didn't want the possiblity of being hauled in for attempted murder for giving someone a heat attack from high blood pressure. 2:Read the Utah news... "said she came to Utah from Florida in November to have the babies and place them for adoption because she and the birth father could not take care of the children." 3:It's okay but I liked the unicorn better. quote:Originally posted by Wolferz: Biologically speaking, it could be said that every woman who does not have an egg fertilized and subsequently dumps it during a period is committing muder.This is not something a women has to worry about. What about us guys? According to some if you wank off, you are also commiting a crime a murder. "thou shall not spill thy seed". Just think every one of those little guys is a potential human. A potential Einstien, Mozart, Marie Curie, Tax payer etc.. Go to Whitehouse.org and type in the search box "operation infinite purity". At first I thought this was a joke but when I searched for Americans for Purity now I'm not quite sure. Go to geocities.com/afpurity (Americans For Purity: Winning the war on wankers.) Not quite sure if this is a joke yet. I hope it is. Do your own searches also on this topic. We are all Winston Smiths (1984 main character) but we just don't know it. [ 03-14-2004, 05:53 PM: Message edited by: LostInSpace ]

THE PEOPLE VS MELISSA ANN ROWLAND he brings up some really good points. quote: CTV.ca News Staff "What's troubling about this case is that it seems such a trivial reason was given, and really in the end made very little sense. And maybe that shows a problem in the way it was handled at the hospital."Finally someone is bringing that point up in the media. quote: Utah News 1: A nurse at Salt Lake Regional Medical Center also saw Rowland on Jan. 2 and said she heard Rowland say she left LDS Hospital because the doctors there wanted to cut her open "from breast bone to pubic bone," that this would "ruin her life" and that she would rather "lose one of the babies than be cut like that," court documents say. She denies she was advised to have a C-section with the twins and also denies she refused to have one to avoid a scar. She said the twins were ultimately born by C-section. "I've never refused a C-section," Rowland said. "I've already had two prior C-sections. Why would I say something like that?" ------------------------------------------------ 2: Marguerite Driessen, an associate professor of law at Brigham Young University who has four children of her own and is pro-life, said she sees problems with a case such as this. "My concern here is that even in Utah, where the mother has the right to make these choices, that someone other than the mother will be second-guessing these decisions," Driessen said. "In order to bring this case, the government is making a decision to go back and re-evaluate her decisions and medical advice and decide after the fact whether there is a basis for a murder case or not," Driessen said. ---------------------------------------------- 3: The case also reflects on the recent legal brouhaha surrounding Parker Jensen, the Sandy youth who was diagnosed with Ewing's sarcoma, a rare form of cancer. His parents, Barbara and Daren Jensen, doubted the diagnosis, expressed beliefs that chemotherapy would harm Parker more than help him, and battled state officials vigorously over forced chemotherapy for Parker and later, for custody of the boy. 1: You have to take into account what is the motive for this nurse to make that claim when the defendant in this case is claiming she never made those comments. Is the nurse protecting the hospital and doctors from any action against them for dropping the ball in this case? 2:I agree with Marguerite Driessen completely. 3:Oh big brother at it again! Jaguar, I hope you are not getting to hot under the collar over this and my viewpoint or other's. This has been a very good discussion, from everyone, and I'm sure we will still be discussing back and forth for some time over this. Airing one's viewpoint is what it's all about. [ 03-14-2004, 02:06 PM: Message edited by: LostInSpace ]

quote:Originally posted by Wolferz: We are not at liberty to say what this woman's mindset was during these events. True we only have the tiniest of info on this matter. What we are missing is what did those doctors tell her about her risks (we all know the babies risk) etc.. We'll just have to wait until those things come to light. But more importantly, in this topic, are the implications about this situation and what effects this will have on all of us when deciding our medical care and treatment. quote:Originally posted by Steve Schacher: The implied solution to this problem is that the women be compelled to have the c-section. That opens up a pandora's box of ethical questions. For instance:Great bunch of thought provoking issues. Those will get everyones gray matter fired up. quote:Originally posted by Echo: 5. It is refreshing to see soo many men have opinions about these issues.:Goes to show we guys are not all a bunch of cave dwelling Neanderthals.

quote:Originally posted by Wolferz: Could they say with 100% conviction(proof) that the child would have lived after the procedure?They couldn't even say with 100% conviction that she would live after the procedure. And if you go by what's in the news reports now, she was even at more risk of not surviving the procedure "However, the women who died were more likely than those who survived to have had cardiac, renal, mental health , or severe preeclampsia complications and to have had medically indicated induction or labor." Also another example of C-section complications C-Section Raises Risk of Future Stillbirth. quote:My opinion is this, the medical professionals should be held as accessories, if this is ultimately judged as murder.Which is why I believe this was done to her to protect the medical establishment from another malpractice lawsuit and to deflect any culpability from it. quote:Just because a Doctor tells you you need surgery for anything, are we now legally bound to have it done.? Not that I'm aware of. You are made aware of your circumstance by your doctor and it's up to you on how to proceed. No matter how emphatic the doctor is of one procedure over another. That woman made a decision that she deemed was in "her" best interest at that time and neither you, I or anyone else should be allowed to second guess the outcome. quote:Are this woman's rights concerning her body to be lightly tossed aside now, simply because it involved an in utero human??Welcome to the nanny society. Next time you go to the library or see this in a book store Government Nannies or read thisGOVERNMENT NANNIES quote:Originally posted by Jaguar: THis is NOT a good point, because A: I used a midwife, B: I had a hospital nearby that we would have gone to if there had been complications. You guys are not getting this. Let me give you the timeline here.I get it I just don't agree. Okay say on B that complications did set in and, god forbid, the baby died on your way to the hospital and since you "FORCED the doctor,, YES, FORCED the doctor to let her have it naturally. Then, because we got sick of Doctors and all their BS about check this, check that, test for this, test for that, medical intervention here, medical intervention there," and say that the baby's death could have been prevented from the numerous tests and medical intervention that you so fervently avoided. Under this woman's predicament you would be arrested and charged with murder because they didn't like the choices you made and you put the baby in that predicament and forcibly ignored medical advice to deliver by hospital or C-section birth. [ 03-13-2004, 01:18 PM: Message edited by: LostInSpace ]

Now listen, there's a reason why the United States squirrel has take up arms SAY IT AIN'T SO!!!

Very interesting and strange as well as creepy 3/11 happened 911 days after 9/11

quote:Originally posted by Jaguar: I have done the research LIS, because the fact of the matter is, we wanted to know the true risk of a natural birth with our 2nd child. We FORCED the doctor,, YES, FORCED the doctor to let her have it naturally. Then, because we got sick of Doctors and all their BS about check this, check that, test for this, test for that, medical intervention here, medical intervention there, we had my 3rd child at HOME, in OUR bed, with a midwife. Yes, LIS, I know FAR more about the risks etc then most people. I believe that C-Section is used FAR too often, because Docotrs are LAZYHmmm lazy are you sure it's not for other factors like making more money. In fact, HMO's are the ones that started pushing hospitals and doctors to do VBAC's (vaginal birth after c-section) to cut costs. Glad you saw the light about doctors. And congratulations on a successful natural home birth. Alot and I mean alot of people around the world are opting for just that. "The woman sought medical advice in December because she hadn't felt the fetuses move, documents said." Does that sound like malicious or criminal intent? If that was the case, she could have easily stayed home and not done anything about the condition and have done with it. She only balked about doing anything when the C-section was brought into play. Why is that? She also denies it was about the scars " saying she already had scars from earlier C-sections." There's alot more to this than we know. This will be interesting to see pan out in court. Anyway, I'm going to defer this discussion, for now, about the case because frankly neither of us don't have enough information about either the woman (emotional, mental and/or physical health ) or the hospitals and doctors involved and any medical records they maintained about her or the nurses that keep making statements. I just hope the media keeps up on this and not fall by the way side cause it's lost it news worthiness. quote:Originally posted by Cmdr Chavik: And if that child had died you would now be charged with murder because you went against medical advice. You made a choice and have a surviving child. Great for you. The woman in the article made a choise and had a miscarriage.Good point I missed that one. Well lets see what happens now also with home births and going against the doctor's wishes. [ 03-13-2004, 03:06 AM: Message edited by: LostInSpace ]

quote:Originally posted by Cmdr Chavik: Heard of the debate about getting rid of pennies? Thank God! Now they can stop pricing things like $2.99, $49.99, $99.99 $999.99 and use the real pricing of $3, $50, $100, $1000!! There's a mindset in buisness that thinks that if you price things a penny less they seem a hell of alot cheaper. Oh yeah $999.99 seems a hell of alot cheaper than $1000 doesn't it?

quote:Originally posted by echo: 361.00 are you kidding me?!? That's a riot!! Goes to show there's a boob born everyday!

quote:Originally posted by Jaguar: She is responsible for the death of that baby, it was her choice. She murdered her child, by choosing NOT to have the C-section when her doctor and another Doctor, and ANOTHER doctor told her she needed to. You are taking a rather simplistic view of C-section itself. It's not all cut and dry as people think. It's still a major risk even more so than vaginal births. You of all people Jaguar should know better than that. Do the research. More women die following c-section than vaginal birth, probably due more to preexisting conditions than the surgery itself "However, the women who died were more likely than those who survived to have had cardiac, renal, mental health , or severe preeclampsia complications and to have had medically indicated induction or labor." Sacrifice the patient for the outcome? That in itself is cold hearted and callous. When Are C-Sections the Best Delivery Option? "Risk of C-Sections Although the majority of C-sections occur without significant complications, the procedure is not risk-free. Uterine infections, blood loss, and prolonged hospitalization are more common with C-sections than vaginal births. Maternal mortality associated with C-sections is three to seven times greater than deaths associated with vaginal deliveries. The leading cause of death from C-sec-tions is pulmonary embolus (blood clot to the lung). Although the mother's existing medical conditions may contribute to the need for a C-section, those same conditions may compound the risks of the procedure. For example, obesity is a risk factor for both C-section and the development of a blood clot." Do you think now those doctors were thinking more in the best interest of that woman or the babies she was carrying? We've all heard of horror stories about hospitals. You can't overlook what kind of mortality rates these hospitals have. Are they competent Doctors etc.. This will all come into play in that the trial as well. After being allegedly told "from breast bone to pubic bone," a procedure that would "ruin her life."I'd run too if I was told that! And who among us can say that it's not a big deal or even life threatening to undergo any C-section procedure. [ 03-13-2004, 12:47 AM: Message edited by: LostInSpace ]

quote:Originally posted by Darkling: ......The norm is the woman who doesn't want to take Birth Control because it makes her "Fat" get's pregnant, then proceeds to kill her kid. That's reality. It takes two to tango. It's not just the responsibilty of the women. You've heard of condoms and male birth control pills? It's about time men started taking the other half of the responsibilty for pregnancies on this planet. Keep it zipped up or put on that condom and/or take the birth control (when it becomes available by 2005) The Male Contraceptive Pill or you are just as culpable as the woman is into what happens to that baby or fetus. [ 03-12-2004, 10:51 PM: Message edited by: LostInSpace ]

quote:Originally posted by Darkling: 1:First of all, the woman was crazy. 2: And second, let's not leave out pertinent statements. You are starting to sound like a Democrat, tell only half the truth to make your point. 1: True, that is if you believe her lawyer's comment. I don't have the facts about that to make an accurate judgement. Remember an insanity plea is the usual MO of a defendant if they can get away with. Secondly, if she had a history of mental illness don't you think that all the hospitals and doctors she's been to would have picked up on that or at least investigated that aspect of it. Since they didn't, other than the woman in question, there was alot of ball dropping here and everyone involved should be held just as accountable. 2: You are right and I stand corrected on that. No need to be mean to me calling me a Democrat! quote:Originally posted by Echo: I would hate to think if someone denied a fetus surgery and later miscarried that they would be charged with murder.That is the fear of what the government may do now. Interfering in prenatal care and more restrictions on reproductive rights. I for one do not think the government should interfere in these matters at all that is between the person involved and their maker. Humans have carried on giving birth, miscarriages, women dying in child birth etc... long before our big brother government was in existence.

A woman accused of murder because she allegedly avoided a Caesarean section that could have saved her unborn twin . What happened to a patients right to chose? Update:The autopsy showed that the one twin baby died 2 days before the birth. Another example of our government going too far in my opinion. "The case could affect abortion rights and open the door to the prosecution of mothers who smoke or don't follow their obstetrician's diet, said Marguerite Driessen, a law professor at Brigham Young University."

My condolences to those in Spain. quote:Originally posted by Jaguar: ..... they are mad that we are not Muslim. The only way to please them, is to die or convert. THAT'S it. Either Die, or convert to Islam, and MAYBE, just MAYBE they will leave you alone. Otherwise, it's kill them, before they kill us. I don't think that will even stop them either even if you do convert depends on what sect you join. Look at all the tension between the Kurds, Sunnis and Shi'ite through the years in Iraq. The basic problem is some people think they are better than others (in god's/Allah's eye or whatever motivates that kind of attitude) and if they can't get people to think or do as they do they resort to violence.

Speaking of dolls, has anyone seen the Janet and Justin action figure? Janet & Justin Super Bowl Halftime SHOW By Siobhan . I first saw this just a little while ago on the fox5 news.

Take-Two confirms Max Payne 3 what more can be said.

quote:Originally posted by BaBaBooey: http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=1043 Believe it or not you can get them both there for free Later Yup, I've mentioned that site alot on here in previous posts "Legacy Games". Great site for them old games. But there's still nothing like having the original box and all.