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quote:"there's very serious intelligence that's corroborated, that's multiple sourced, that indicates that al-Qaeda is intent on hitting us and hitting us hard this year." The official concedes, however, that "we don't have specific information." @Kartoffle, YOU have a very legitimate point. In MY opinion, it is just MORE BUSH BULL!! They would do well, to put these OFFICIAL's NAMES, into these "SO CALLED" TERROR alerts. Then everyone could see who the REAL terrorist are. Dont worry about Jag's Labels... he labels everyone who doesnt like the BUSH WAR ideology. I believe, HE finds amusement in attempting to assasinate another's character. This(BUSH) administration,is activily slandering anyone's character who expresses BALANCED views of reality, concerning this war. Why would one expect a "BUSH-WAR-ITE" to do any different. Bush is a LIER, and his FATHER is a lier...those who serve bush, have no choice, but to follow the path of their master.

quote:"there's very serious intelligence that's corroborated, that's multiple sourced, that indicates that al-Qaeda is intent on hitting us and hitting us hard this year." The official concedes, however, that "we don't have specific information." @Kartoffle, YOU have a very legitimate point. In MY opinion, it is just MORE BUSH BULL!! They would do well, to put these OFFICIAL's NAMES, into these "SO CALLED" TERROR alerts. Then everyone could see who the REAL terrorist are. Dont worry about Jag's Labels... he labels everyone who doesnt like the BUSH WAR ideology. I believe, HE finds amusement in attempting to assasinate another's character. This(BUSH) administration,is activily slandering anyone's character who expresses BALANCED views of reality, concerning this war. Why would one expect a "BUSH-WAR-ITE" to do any different. Bush is a LIER, and his FATHER is a lier...those who serve bush, have no choice, but to follow the path of their master.

LOL..I'm not excited. I dont even live in Florida, but I use to, and I KNOW first hand how quick THAT state passes such rediculous type legislation. AND how they inform the public(i.e. little 1/2"x1" ads, on page 34 of the sunday paper or some such). It was JUST a comment..... Edit: quote:On another note, we've got plenty of tax free stuff up here in the bogs of Georgia! If you can survive the mosquitos and deer flies you should have no problem at all! Well, you'll need a big truck too, one slightly larger than Big Foot to avoid getting shot by the rednecks, but thats no problem, I'm sure y'all are pretty resourceful. that is FUNNY!!

Like, someone trying to boycott Wallmart. there are ONLY 100,000,000+ people on the web, AND the GAME market alike. HE is REALLY going to make a difference!!. There is something to be said, of individuals who cut off their nose, to spite their face... Is there ,not?

I'd say Kiss MY A**!! WHAT next? home intercom systems..? We pay enough compounded and hidden taxes, when purchasing ANY equipment! Makes me think of all those farmers, throughout the midwest and far west, who lost their lives,from 1865-1900; while trying to fight off tax foreclosures with a shotgun. They built their farms, on Originally designated TAX FREE(-Homestead act of 1812)HOMESTEAD properties. The property tax was an after-thought by the federal government, based on land improvement($5000 improvement in 5 years: a requirement to homestead) NO grandfather allowences were accepted by the federal government. It was merely a legal way to aquire the land for the InterContinental RailRoad. poor farmers, didnt have cash to pay the ADDED taxations, due to the Federal Tax Reform. Now we ALL pay property tax to City, and County, and State, AND Federal government, for EVERYTHING we own. AND with NO thought, it was ever any different. I WONDER, how far FLORIDA will really go with this??

quote:This is going to seem like a short reply to your larger post, Street. Doesn't mean I didn't read it though. :-)LOL, I hear ya.. quote: My next question would be: What concessions do you think are acceptable to make to terrorist organizations? Just to clarify, are you saying that it would be acceptable to open some kind of negotiations with Al Qaeda? THIS is an organization of people which has declared AMERICA an ENEMY. An Enemy to ALL muslims,and which have dedicated their lives(unto death)to FREE the middle east from our control and influence. They are a military organization. They are NOT simply terrorist is my first point.(just to put this on a rational perspective) Until, the white flag is displayed,by This organization,, I do NOT think it necessary to make ANY concessions:however, If we KEEP declaring them to be no more than TERRORIST worthy of being hunted down and KILLED, like animals; REFUSING to acknowledge their RIGHT to surrender, or negotiate treaty or cease fire...not to mention the ability to negotiate an existance, OUTSIDE AMERICAN domination... They CANNOT consider ending hostilities. They are NOT allowed to even surrender!! THEY HAVE NOTHING TO LOOSE, and EVERYTHING TO GAIN, in recruitment and continuation of their organization. It(their organization) is their Only hope of survival, on this planet. WE have HELPED them in achieving credibility, among a percentage of peoples in EVERY muslim nation, to some degree, through this atrocity in IRAQ.(NOT to mention, everything else, we have our hands in, throughout the MIDDLE EAST) I do NOT condone their hostility, but I cannot ignore, what happens, when a people become oppressed,hunted, and persecuted.(REGARDLESS of reason!!)..THE MOVEMENT GROWS!!! HOW MANY DO WE HAVE TO KILL, before we have RESTITUTION FOR 3000?. is 500,000 enough?(this number has already been acheived, I assure you). CAN we now move on to the REAL WAR. AND have the self respect,as a NATION, to designate it as such...honoring the GENEVA convention's declarations? WE, should get this IDEA, of TOTAL REVENGE, out of our heads, and use some RATIONAL. THIS is a WAR, against the ALQUEDA Organization. IT SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH..this is my point. AGAIN, MY ANSWER: I do NOT condone their hostility, but I cannot ignore, what happens, when a people become oppressed,hunted, and persecuted.(REGARDLESS of reason!!)..THE MOVEMENT GROWS!!! THIS is a WAR, against the ALQUEDA Organization. (not other muslim nations)

quote:This is going to seem like a short reply to your larger post, Street. Doesn't mean I didn't read it though. :-)LOL, I hear ya.. quote: My next question would be: What concessions do you think are acceptable to make to terrorist organizations? Just to clarify, are you saying that it would be acceptable to open some kind of negotiations with Al Qaeda? THIS is an organization of people which has declared AMERICA an ENEMY. An Enemy to ALL muslims,and which have dedicated their lives(unto death)to FREE the middle east from our control and influence. They are a military organization. They are NOT simply terrorist is my first point.(just to put this on a rational perspective) Until, the white flag is displayed,by This organization,, I do NOT think it necessary to make ANY concessions:however, If we KEEP declaring them to be no more than TERRORIST worthy of being hunted down and KILLED, like animals; REFUSING to acknowledge their RIGHT to surrender, or negotiate treaty or cease fire...not to mention the ability to negotiate an existance, OUTSIDE AMERICAN domination... They CANNOT consider ending hostilities. They are NOT allowed to even surrender!! THEY HAVE NOTHING TO LOOSE, and EVERYTHING TO GAIN, in recruitment and continuation of their organization. It(their organization) is their Only hope of survival, on this planet. WE have HELPED them in achieving credibility, among a percentage of peoples in EVERY muslim nation, to some degree, through this atrocity in IRAQ.(NOT to mention, everything else, we have our hands in, throughout the MIDDLE EAST) I do NOT condone their hostility, but I cannot ignore, what happens, when a people become oppressed,hunted, and persecuted.(REGARDLESS of reason!!)..THE MOVEMENT GROWS!!! HOW MANY DO WE HAVE TO KILL, before we have RESTITUTION FOR 3000?. is 500,000 enough?(this number has already been acheived, I assure you). CAN we now move on to the REAL WAR. AND have the self respect,as a NATION, to designate it as such...honoring the GENEVA convention's declarations? WE, should get this IDEA, of TOTAL REVENGE, out of our heads, and use some RATIONAL. THIS is a WAR, against the ALQUEDA Organization. IT SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH..this is my point. AGAIN, MY ANSWER: I do NOT condone their hostility, but I cannot ignore, what happens, when a people become oppressed,hunted, and persecuted.(REGARDLESS of reason!!)..THE MOVEMENT GROWS!!! THIS is a WAR, against the ALQUEDA Organization. (not other muslim nations)

We are JUST NOW, seeing the final guage, which reflects the present economic condition(loss of employment and closing of business) Those who survive this, will be even stronger, when again, the last economic guage is seen; (i.e. hiring and new business)thus, reflecting a true economic growth. Hold in there SC!!

MY answer to this: quote:Street, not to sound provacative....but, who exactly is the REAL terrorist you speak of? And another question for you, say for a moment, we work on building up a "good defense" and say we still get hit by another devestating attack. What do we do then in your opinion? Do we continue to be diplomatic and continue to build defensive measures? When is offensive action considered "OK" in your mind? Not trying to debate, just trying to gain understanding. :-) First, The ONLY way one can STOP, what has been termed "a TERRORIST attack", is to KNOW what form of attack is coming, and from whome...This REQUIRES dilligent intelligence, and coordination of those responsible for gathering such. If NONE of this is known, you have only 2 choices. 1: put every human being in a glass box and watch them. and 2: Respond and prosecute those who commit the crimes, AFTER they commit the crime.(Neither is a perfect solution, by any means). If one would CONSIDER, what These type of attacks REALLY are, and use the proper definitions in recognizing them, THEN, and ONLY THEN can we begin to deal with them rationally.(bush is NOT being RATIONAL in his ideology concerning this) A TERRORIST has, but ONE purpose in mind: "INSTILLING FEAR in their victims". (The ONLY people doing THIS AND ONLY THIS, is US!!) Now, before you jump on me for this statement,...read on.... The ATTACK on the WORLD trade center, was NOT merely to instill FEAR, but was an attack on the WORLD BANK!!! or better defined:THE WORLD FINANCIAL institutions.(EXAMINE THE TENENTS which were based within the WORLD TRADE CENTER. A perspective, which has been carefully AVOIDED throughout ALL post 9/11 dialog) 9/11 was a MILITARY ATTACK,(NOT TERRORIST)on the UNITED STATES, AND the WORLD FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS(which the UNITED STATES is a LEADING associate) NOW the question is: WHY?. We KNOW what ORGANIZATION carried out this attack,. THOSE who committed the ACTUAL crime DIED in the attack. so We initially went after THAT organization, or entity responsible(and rightfully so). STILL, the questiion is WHY? If a COUNTRY attacks us, it is not TERMED, a terrorist attack; because, we KNOW their intent. The reason we know their intent: We have dipolmats in the various countries and we know where the DIPLOMATIC process has failed. we are fully aware of their REASON for attacking us. Though, WE(the UNITED STATES) PUT the TALIBAN in power, within Afghanistan, while helping them DEFEAT the NORTHERN ALLIANCE, WE do NOT recognize the TALABAN(ALQUEDA) as we do an Individual COUNTRY or government. WHY?...Because, they did not CONTROL the ENTIRE country, and were, but one FACTION, within the country, as a whole.(besides, it is convienent to term them TERRORIST, thus relieving us the responsibility of addressing the issue, as to WHY they deemed it necessary to attack US. or WHY they RETALIATE against us for our actions, which have caused them anquish within their country. ALL the while, we continued ignoring or recognizing the consequence of our actions which caused them HARM, within their communities, and/or countries!!) When RUSSIA pulled out of afghanistan, WE pulled out. When we worked to establish PEACE with the factions within that country, prior to our withdraw of aid, WE DID NOT INVITE THE TALIBAN TO THE PEACE NEGOTIATING ACCORDS!! OUR AID suddenly stopped. They were left on the outside MANY STARVED and were attacked by opposing FACTIONS, but they preveiled within KABUL, and the sourrounding region. COST IN LIVES WERE HIGH. Thus, they harbored ANYONE who was defiant against the U.S. International Agenda within the middle east, or just plain angry toward the UNITED STATES. Bin Laden, was one of those to later be harbored, and consequently he built up quite a large number of followers from throughout the MUSLUM nations, and in fact throughout the WORLD. THIS is what instigated the hatred which progressed toward the end result:"9/11" Diplomacy, can ONLY work, with an enemy, which one would consider worthy of a DIOLOMATIC relation. THIS has NEVER even been considered, with Enemies who were considered LOW THREAT, but ONLY with countries of formadable military capability. Since, our Administration, does NOT consider ALQUEDA worthy of diplomatic communication, but place them as animals, only worthy of execution, there can NEVER be any way to work things out with them as an entity. Attacking countries, as with IRAQ(who are independent of ALQUEDA)along with the deaths of so many innocent iraqi; holding citizens from 40 different (primarily muslim) countries, without acknowledging they are prisoners of WAR(thus NO geneva convention protection); THREATENING EVERY nation in the world to bend to OUR ideals and to hand over anyone who MIGHT be associated(even remotely)with an ENTITY we HAVE declared WAR upon, yet THAT entity is NOT an opponant WORTHY of negotiation.......??????????? The lynch MOB declaration of "WAR ON TERROR" is a falacy in its own sense. We are at WAR with an ENTITY, which has been SEPERATED from it's OWN govenoring power and from within its own country. This ENTITY, has nothing to loose, because THEIR enemy(the U.S) will not recognize them as human beings and worthy of dialog, WHILE our international RESPONSE in IRAQ, has created a breeding ground for that entity!!! It is impossible for us to monitor EVERYONE in those little countries, and we have CREATED ANOTHER breeding ground for further "hate AMERICA ideology" This kind of irrational responses to a very REAL problem will ONLY make the problem MORE severe in the future. The ENEMY will be MORE illusive, and grow ever stronger. What is needed NOW?...There is a WHOLE LOT MORE TO FIX, than merely irradicate the REMNANTs of the ALQUEDA!! that is for sure. We had already dislodged the Alqueda from their safety net, within afghanistan, and should have continued persueing their ability toward agression; HOWEVER, We should NEVER have used 9/11 as an EXCUSE toward CREATING an even MORE illusive, enemy, through ATTACKING another country within the middle east. THAT WAS IRRESPONSIBLE!! As for using military force,against one who uses such force against the U.S?? I have NO problem with that, but I DO have a problem with INVADING another country, in order to CONTROL its assets, AND using FALSE statements, to get the united states population to believe TWISTED LIES, and to back such a move!! AND YES, we continue to be DEFENSIVE...(NOT PREIMPTIVELY ATTACKING people SUSPECTED of being our enemy) AND YES, WE SHOULD open DIALOG with OUR ENEMIES. and we SHOULD be willing to make SOME concessions, in order to maintain security and GOOD WILL among other nations, and PEOPLES!!! (REFUSAL TO DO SO IS INSANE) regardless of our present military might!!! JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION!!! [ 06-24-2004, 06:22 PM: Message edited by: street ]

MY answer to this: quote:Street, not to sound provacative....but, who exactly is the REAL terrorist you speak of? And another question for you, say for a moment, we work on building up a "good defense" and say we still get hit by another devestating attack. What do we do then in your opinion? Do we continue to be diplomatic and continue to build defensive measures? When is offensive action considered "OK" in your mind? Not trying to debate, just trying to gain understanding. :-) First, The ONLY way one can STOP, what has been termed "a TERRORIST attack", is to KNOW what form of attack is coming, and from whome...This REQUIRES dilligent intelligence, and coordination of those responsible for gathering such. If NONE of this is known, you have only 2 choices. 1: put every human being in a glass box and watch them. and 2: Respond and prosecute those who commit the crimes, AFTER they commit the crime.(Neither is a perfect solution, by any means). If one would CONSIDER, what These type of attacks REALLY are, and use the proper definitions in recognizing them, THEN, and ONLY THEN can we begin to deal with them rationally.(bush is NOT being RATIONAL in his ideology concerning this) A TERRORIST has, but ONE purpose in mind: "INSTILLING FEAR in their victims". (The ONLY people doing THIS AND ONLY THIS, is US!!) Now, before you jump on me for this statement,...read on.... The ATTACK on the WORLD trade center, was NOT merely to instill FEAR, but was an attack on the WORLD BANK!!! or better defined:THE WORLD FINANCIAL institutions.(EXAMINE THE TENENTS which were based within the WORLD TRADE CENTER. A perspective, which has been carefully AVOIDED throughout ALL post 9/11 dialog) 9/11 was a MILITARY ATTACK,(NOT TERRORIST)on the UNITED STATES, AND the WORLD FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS(which the UNITED STATES is a LEADING associate) NOW the question is: WHY?. We KNOW what ORGANIZATION carried out this attack,. THOSE who committed the ACTUAL crime DIED in the attack. so We initially went after THAT organization, or entity responsible(and rightfully so). STILL, the questiion is WHY? If a COUNTRY attacks us, it is not TERMED, a terrorist attack; because, we KNOW their intent. The reason we know their intent: We have dipolmats in the various countries and we know where the DIPLOMATIC process has failed. we are fully aware of their REASON for attacking us. Though, WE(the UNITED STATES) PUT the TALIBAN in power, within Afghanistan, while helping them DEFEAT the NORTHERN ALLIANCE, WE do NOT recognize the TALABAN(ALQUEDA) as we do an Individual COUNTRY or government. WHY?...Because, they did not CONTROL the ENTIRE country, and were, but one FACTION, within the country, as a whole.(besides, it is convienent to term them TERRORIST, thus relieving us the responsibility of addressing the issue, as to WHY they deemed it necessary to attack US. or WHY they RETALIATE against us for our actions, which have caused them anquish within their country. ALL the while, we continued ignoring or recognizing the consequence of our actions which caused them HARM, within their communities, and/or countries!!) When RUSSIA pulled out of afghanistan, WE pulled out. When we worked to establish PEACE with the factions within that country, prior to our withdraw of aid, WE DID NOT INVITE THE TALIBAN TO THE PEACE NEGOTIATING ACCORDS!! OUR AID suddenly stopped. They were left on the outside MANY STARVED and were attacked by opposing FACTIONS, but they preveiled within KABUL, and the sourrounding region. COST IN LIVES WERE HIGH. Thus, they harbored ANYONE who was defiant against the U.S. International Agenda within the middle east, or just plain angry toward the UNITED STATES. Bin Laden, was one of those to later be harbored, and consequently he built up quite a large number of followers from throughout the MUSLUM nations, and in fact throughout the WORLD. THIS is what instigated the hatred which progressed toward the end result:"9/11" Diplomacy, can ONLY work, with an enemy, which one would consider worthy of a DIOLOMATIC relation. THIS has NEVER even been considered, with Enemies who were considered LOW THREAT, but ONLY with countries of formadable military capability. Since, our Administration, does NOT consider ALQUEDA worthy of diplomatic communication, but place them as animals, only worthy of execution, there can NEVER be any way to work things out with them as an entity. Attacking countries, as with IRAQ(who are independent of ALQUEDA)along with the deaths of so many innocent iraqi; holding citizens from 40 different (primarily muslim) countries, without acknowledging they are prisoners of WAR(thus NO geneva convention protection); THREATENING EVERY nation in the world to bend to OUR ideals and to hand over anyone who MIGHT be associated(even remotely)with an ENTITY we HAVE declared WAR upon, yet THAT entity is NOT an opponant WORTHY of negotiation.......??????????? The lynch MOB declaration of "WAR ON TERROR" is a falacy in its own sense. We are at WAR with an ENTITY, which has been SEPERATED from it's OWN govenoring power and from within its own country. This ENTITY, has nothing to loose, because THEIR enemy(the U.S) will not recognize them as human beings and worthy of dialog, WHILE our international RESPONSE in IRAQ, has created a breeding ground for that entity!!! It is impossible for us to monitor EVERYONE in those little countries, and we have CREATED ANOTHER breeding ground for further "hate AMERICA ideology" This kind of irrational responses to a very REAL problem will ONLY make the problem MORE severe in the future. The ENEMY will be MORE illusive, and grow ever stronger. What is needed NOW?...There is a WHOLE LOT MORE TO FIX, than merely irradicate the REMNANTs of the ALQUEDA!! that is for sure. We had already dislodged the Alqueda from their safety net, within afghanistan, and should have continued persueing their ability toward agression; HOWEVER, We should NEVER have used 9/11 as an EXCUSE toward CREATING an even MORE illusive, enemy, through ATTACKING another country within the middle east. THAT WAS IRRESPONSIBLE!! As for using military force,against one who uses such force against the U.S?? I have NO problem with that, but I DO have a problem with INVADING another country, in order to CONTROL its assets, AND using FALSE statements, to get the united states population to believe TWISTED LIES, and to back such a move!! AND YES, we continue to be DEFENSIVE...(NOT PREIMPTIVELY ATTACKING people SUSPECTED of being our enemy) AND YES, WE SHOULD open DIALOG with OUR ENEMIES. and we SHOULD be willing to make SOME concessions, in order to maintain security and GOOD WILL among other nations, and PEOPLES!!! (REFUSAL TO DO SO IS INSANE) regardless of our present military might!!! JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION!!! [ 06-24-2004, 06:22 PM: Message edited by: street ]

MY answer to this: quote:Street, not to sound provacative....but, who exactly is the REAL terrorist you speak of? And another question for you, say for a moment, we work on building up a "good defense" and say we still get hit by another devestating attack. What do we do then in your opinion? Do we continue to be diplomatic and continue to build defensive measures? When is offensive action considered "OK" in your mind? Not trying to debate, just trying to gain understanding. :-) First, The ONLY way one can STOP, what has been termed "a TERRORIST attack", is to KNOW what form of attack is coming, and from whome...This REQUIRES dilligent intelligence, and coordination of those responsible for gathering such. If NONE of this is known, you have only 2 choices. 1: put every human being in a glass box and watch them. and 2: Respond and prosecute those who commit the crimes, AFTER they commit the crime.(Neither is a perfect solution, by any means). If one would CONSIDER, what These type of attacks REALLY are, and use the proper definitions in recognizing them, THEN, and ONLY THEN can we begin to deal with them rationally.(bush is NOT being RATIONAL in his ideology concerning this) A TERRORIST has, but ONE purpose in mind: "INSTILLING FEAR in their victims". (The ONLY people doing THIS AND ONLY THIS, is US!!) Now, before you jump on me for this statement,...read on.... The ATTACK on the WORLD trade center, was NOT merely to instill FEAR, but was an attack on the WORLD BANK!!! or better defined:THE WORLD FINANCIAL institutions.(EXAMINE THE TENENTS which were based within the WORLD TRADE CENTER. A perspective, which has been carefully AVOIDED throughout ALL post 9/11 dialog) 9/11 was a MILITARY ATTACK,(NOT TERRORIST)on the UNITED STATES, AND the WORLD FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS(which the UNITED STATES is a LEADING associate) NOW the question is: WHY?. We KNOW what ORGANIZATION carried out this attack,. THOSE who committed the ACTUAL crime DIED in the attack. so We initially went after THAT organization, or entity responsible(and rightfully so). STILL, the questiion is WHY? If a COUNTRY attacks us, it is not TERMED, a terrorist attack; because, we KNOW their intent. The reason we know their intent: We have dipolmats in the various countries and we know where the DIPLOMATIC process has failed. we are fully aware of their REASON for attacking us. Though, WE(the UNITED STATES) PUT the TALIBAN in power, within Afghanistan, while helping them DEFEAT the NORTHERN ALLIANCE, WE do NOT recognize the TALABAN(ALQUEDA) as we do an Individual COUNTRY or government. WHY?...Because, they did not CONTROL the ENTIRE country, and were, but one FACTION, within the country, as a whole.(besides, it is convienent to term them TERRORIST, thus relieving us the responsibility of addressing the issue, as to WHY they deemed it necessary to attack US. or WHY they RETALIATE against us for our actions, which have caused them anquish within their country. ALL the while, we continued ignoring or recognizing the consequence of our actions which caused them HARM, within their communities, and/or countries!!) When RUSSIA pulled out of afghanistan, WE pulled out. When we worked to establish PEACE with the factions within that country, prior to our withdraw of aid, WE DID NOT INVITE THE TALIBAN TO THE PEACE NEGOTIATING ACCORDS!! OUR AID suddenly stopped. They were left on the outside MANY STARVED and were attacked by opposing FACTIONS, but they preveiled within KABUL, and the sourrounding region. COST IN LIVES WERE HIGH. Thus, they harbored ANYONE who was defiant against the U.S. International Agenda within the middle east, or just plain angry toward the UNITED STATES. Bin Laden, was one of those to later be harbored, and consequently he built up quite a large number of followers from throughout the MUSLUM nations, and in fact throughout the WORLD. THIS is what instigated the hatred which progressed toward the end result:"9/11" Diplomacy, can ONLY work, with an enemy, which one would consider worthy of a DIOLOMATIC relation. THIS has NEVER even been considered, with Enemies who were considered LOW THREAT, but ONLY with countries of formadable military capability. Since, our Administration, does NOT consider ALQUEDA worthy of diplomatic communication, but place them as animals, only worthy of execution, there can NEVER be any way to work things out with them as an entity. Attacking countries, as with IRAQ(who are independent of ALQUEDA)along with the deaths of so many innocent iraqi; holding citizens from 40 different (primarily muslim) countries, without acknowledging they are prisoners of WAR(thus NO geneva convention protection); THREATENING EVERY nation in the world to bend to OUR ideals and to hand over anyone who MIGHT be associated(even remotely)with an ENTITY we HAVE declared WAR upon, yet THAT entity is NOT an opponant WORTHY of negotiation.......??????????? The lynch MOB declaration of "WAR ON TERROR" is a falacy in its own sense. We are at WAR with an ENTITY, which has been SEPERATED from it's OWN govenoring power and from within its own country. This ENTITY, has nothing to loose, because THEIR enemy(the U.S) will not recognize them as human beings and worthy of dialog, WHILE our international RESPONSE in IRAQ, has created a breeding ground for that entity!!! It is impossible for us to monitor EVERYONE in those little countries, and we have CREATED ANOTHER breeding ground for further "hate AMERICA ideology" This kind of irrational responses to a very REAL problem will ONLY make the problem MORE severe in the future. The ENEMY will be MORE illusive, and grow ever stronger. What is needed NOW?...There is a WHOLE LOT MORE TO FIX, than merely irradicate the REMNANTs of the ALQUEDA!! that is for sure. We had already dislodged the Alqueda from their safety net, within afghanistan, and should have continued persueing their ability toward agression; HOWEVER, We should NEVER have used 9/11 as an EXCUSE toward CREATING an even MORE illusive, enemy, through ATTACKING another country within the middle east. THAT WAS IRRESPONSIBLE!! As for using military force,against one who uses such force against the U.S?? I have NO problem with that, but I DO have a problem with INVADING another country, in order to CONTROL its assets, AND using FALSE statements, to get the united states population to believe TWISTED LIES, and to back such a move!! AND YES, we continue to be DEFENSIVE...(NOT PREIMPTIVELY ATTACKING people SUSPECTED of being our enemy) AND YES, WE SHOULD open DIALOG with OUR ENEMIES. and we SHOULD be willing to make SOME concessions, in order to maintain security and GOOD WILL among other nations, and PEOPLES!!! (REFUSAL TO DO SO IS INSANE) regardless of our present military might!!! JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION!!! [ 06-24-2004, 06:22 PM: Message edited by: street ]

With Clinton there is no TRUE contradiction. It is Only a matter of semantics and interpretation, and covering one's ASS, from Undeserved blame(that which BOTH sides of partenship politics, are MASTERS) He clearly defines his refusal to take Bin Laden, in the 60 minute interview...and with LEGIT reason: "NO LEGAL BASIS TO HOLD HIM!!(Something BUSH refuses to ACKNOWLEDGE, concerning HIS victims of incarceration, currantly held in Cuba!!) The issue which surrounds the Tragic contradictions during the months PRIOR to our INVASION of IRAQI, are NOT partenship bias, but incompass VERY REAL and dangerous methodology, toward the FUTURE welfare of this whole country's FREEDOMS, and SAFETY!! ...NOT to mention,damage to our ALIANCES with the other MAJOR world nations.(something most americans missed... when bush kept spouting he had 34 world nations with us.) Those little 3rd world countries, who are a mere grain of sand, when stood beside the countries, which BUSH has damaged our relations. THOSE Relations, which, by the way, took us 50-70 years to establish solidarity with.(And this took BOTH Republican and Democratic administrations, to achieve, throughout the YEARS) [ 06-24-2004, 01:44 PM: Message edited by: street ]

With Clinton there is no TRUE contradiction. It is Only a matter of semantics and interpretation, and covering one's ASS, from Undeserved blame(that which BOTH sides of partenship politics, are MASTERS) He clearly defines his refusal to take Bin Laden, in the 60 minute interview...and with LEGIT reason: "NO LEGAL BASIS TO HOLD HIM!!(Something BUSH refuses to ACKNOWLEDGE, concerning HIS victims of incarceration, currantly held in Cuba!!) The issue which surrounds the Tragic contradictions during the months PRIOR to our INVASION of IRAQI, are NOT partenship bias, but incompass VERY REAL and dangerous methodology, toward the FUTURE welfare of this whole country's FREEDOMS, and SAFETY!! ...NOT to mention,damage to our ALIANCES with the other MAJOR world nations.(something most americans missed... when bush kept spouting he had 34 world nations with us.) Those little 3rd world countries, who are a mere grain of sand, when stood beside the countries, which BUSH has damaged our relations. THOSE Relations, which, by the way, took us 50-70 years to establish solidarity with.(And this took BOTH Republican and Democratic administrations, to achieve, throughout the YEARS) [ 06-24-2004, 01:44 PM: Message edited by: street ]

With Clinton there is no TRUE contradiction. It is Only a matter of semantics and interpretation, and covering one's ASS, from Undeserved blame(that which BOTH sides of partenship politics, are MASTERS) He clearly defines his refusal to take Bin Laden, in the 60 minute interview...and with LEGIT reason: "NO LEGAL BASIS TO HOLD HIM!!(Something BUSH refuses to ACKNOWLEDGE, concerning HIS victims of incarceration, currantly held in Cuba!!) The issue which surrounds the Tragic contradictions during the months PRIOR to our INVASION of IRAQI, are NOT partenship bias, but incompass VERY REAL and dangerous methodology, toward the FUTURE welfare of this whole country's FREEDOMS, and SAFETY!! ...NOT to mention,damage to our ALIANCES with the other MAJOR world nations.(something most americans missed... when bush kept spouting he had 34 world nations with us.) Those little 3rd world countries, who are a mere grain of sand, when stood beside the countries, which BUSH has damaged our relations. THOSE Relations, which, by the way, took us 50-70 years to establish solidarity with.(And this took BOTH Republican and Democratic administrations, to achieve, throughout the YEARS) [ 06-24-2004, 01:44 PM: Message edited by: street ]

Mother had 1 mutated gene, the other from the father(they would not reveal) I QUESTION, wheather INCEST may be a factor. It is common knowledge, that INCEST creates many different unusual specimens, due to the fact, that both parants having COMMON unusual gene traits.

quote:Comment: I hear the lot of you stating that Bush lied, that Bush is doing a terrible job, exc. I do NOT ever hear any of you making any suggestions on what any other person could do better. ANYONE, who has a MORE level head concerning the consequence of ACTION, and who would entertain a more BALANCED perspective, concerning the REAL issue of terrorism and the methodology in which it is confronted. Since KERRY is the ONLY choice made availiable to us, AND since Kerry is a REAL veteren, I believe, he would do a Great job working out MENDING our international relations, AND focusing on the REAL terrorist, rather than personal gain through the incitement of UNECESSARY attack on 3rd world countries. DIPLOMACY WORKS, for one willing to be diplomatic!!!! quote:Question: What exactly do you suggest we do? What is the answer to the problem of terrorism? SIMPLE!! FOCUS ON THE TERRORIST!!!! and build DEFENSIVE measures, rather than BREED TERRORIST, by becoming a reckless OFFENSIVE THREAT, to the REST OF THE WORLD!!! [ 06-24-2004, 12:19 PM: Message edited by: street ]

quote:Comment: I hear the lot of you stating that Bush lied, that Bush is doing a terrible job, exc. I do NOT ever hear any of you making any suggestions on what any other person could do better. ANYONE, who has a MORE level head concerning the consequence of ACTION, and who would entertain a more BALANCED perspective, concerning the REAL issue of terrorism and the methodology in which it is confronted. Since KERRY is the ONLY choice made availiable to us, AND since Kerry is a REAL veteren, I believe, he would do a Great job working out MENDING our international relations, AND focusing on the REAL terrorist, rather than personal gain through the incitement of UNECESSARY attack on 3rd world countries. DIPLOMACY WORKS, for one willing to be diplomatic!!!! quote:Question: What exactly do you suggest we do? What is the answer to the problem of terrorism? SIMPLE!! FOCUS ON THE TERRORIST!!!! and build DEFENSIVE measures, rather than BREED TERRORIST, by becoming a reckless OFFENSIVE THREAT, to the REST OF THE WORLD!!! [ 06-24-2004, 12:19 PM: Message edited by: street ]

quote:Comment: I hear the lot of you stating that Bush lied, that Bush is doing a terrible job, exc. I do NOT ever hear any of you making any suggestions on what any other person could do better. ANYONE, who has a MORE level head concerning the consequence of ACTION, and who would entertain a more BALANCED perspective, concerning the REAL issue of terrorism and the methodology in which it is confronted. Since KERRY is the ONLY choice made availiable to us, AND since Kerry is a REAL veteren, I believe, he would do a Great job working out MENDING our international relations, AND focusing on the REAL terrorist, rather than personal gain through the incitement of UNECESSARY attack on 3rd world countries. DIPLOMACY WORKS, for one willing to be diplomatic!!!! quote:Question: What exactly do you suggest we do? What is the answer to the problem of terrorism? SIMPLE!! FOCUS ON THE TERRORIST!!!! and build DEFENSIVE measures, rather than BREED TERRORIST, by becoming a reckless OFFENSIVE THREAT, to the REST OF THE WORLD!!! [ 06-24-2004, 12:19 PM: Message edited by: street ]

Most humans, with abnormalities, (reported throughout the years, in and by Guiness) have unusually short life spans. I believe the doctors concerns, about the development of future heart problems, would be a VERY relevant concern. We will only know, through long term observation of the boy. Just as MANY of the new drugs, on the market, are released with no more than 9 or 10 weeks of clinical study, on humans.Large pharmecutical coorporations, have a history of pushing approval, by the FDA, through. Then quietly pull, or dilute the product, if there are too many adversities prevelant.

I liked several of em BC/UC? > all the same to me UC is just an extremely ADVANCED version.... if you know what I mean. I just went out and bought the ORIGINAL BC at EB games,(COLLECTABLE to me!!) USED, for $5.00. I jumped on it!!. guess I am as hooked as anyone on this board [ 06-23-2004, 05:50 PM: Message edited by: street ]

It's not as bad, as catching your staff throwing darts at your picture!!

quote: These are INDEED the facts, that you continue to ignore. Again, ignore them at your peril.... LOL..The FEAR doctrine, has NEVER had effect over INTELLIGENCE. And proclamation of opinion, as FACT, is pure nonsense. street>>

quote: These are INDEED the facts, that you continue to ignore. Again, ignore them at your peril.... LOL..The FEAR doctrine, has NEVER had effect over INTELLIGENCE. And proclamation of opinion, as FACT, is pure nonsense. street>>

quote: These are INDEED the facts, that you continue to ignore. Again, ignore them at your peril.... LOL..The FEAR doctrine, has NEVER had effect over INTELLIGENCE. And proclamation of opinion, as FACT, is pure nonsense. street>>

Ditto, your playing WAY to much BC!!!