Ruminations about war past or present

[Guest]

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Originally posted by El Che:

I'm ready with the gravy and butter, and if I'm wrong I'll kiss Jaguar where the sun don't shine. Kind of funny how that whole story died out, though. Haven't heard anything legitimate about it in quite a while now. Hmmmm. But hey, guys, don't worry, I'm sure the weapons of mass distraction will turn up eventually and then YOU'LL have the last laugh, won't ya?

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First off. the WMD's have indeed shown up, and why did they kill the story? Because if the press actually admits that the WMD's exist, their credibility is gone, because they are the ones screaming that there are NO WMD's, and wish you to continue to believe that.

The more I hear Liberals spout that there are no WMD's the more I laugh at them as to how foolish they are.

The WMD's exist, the links to terrorism exist, and when the president decides to release the information, the press is going to be running for the exits and covering their behinds bigger then big.

It's gonna be fun to watch, and I cannot wait....

The presses credibility is gone with me, I do NOT watch Television, I listen to the radio and am thoroughly disgusted with the alphabet news agencies, or should I say Liberal propaganda agencies?

Their credibility is going to be gone as well,, they have not been reporting, they have been telling people what they think they should hear and believe, and leaving everything else out.

The press is Biased, and it is obvious as the nose on Barbara streisands face. And the new polls about the press are out and it shows that 80% of the Press consider themselves liberals.

Nope, the press ain't biased...LOL Yeah right....

[Wolferz]

Here's a good read..... with pictures

What the press is telling us in bits and pieces

[Steve Schacher]

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While no one is disputing that Saddam's rule was in many respects both harsh and venal, the fact is that Iraq as a whole was in many ways the most advanced, and even the most progressive (especially with regard to women's legal status) regime in the region. Honesty demands that we look at this whole picture.

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That's like saying "At least Hitler kept the trains running on time."

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Sanctions alone are believed to have been responsible for the premature deaths of almost 1.5 million Iraqis in a 12 year period ÔÇô a third of them children ÔÇô from malnutrition, medical neglect, and disease.

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Can we say "UN Oil For Food" program?

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380 Iraqi soldiers who had surrendered to US forces were given food by one US Army unit that then left, whereupon another Army mechanized platoon appeared on the scene and machine-gunned the unarmed and clearly marked POWs to death.

Does anyone think that this incident was forgotten 12 years later, or that the kin of these murdered troops were looking forward to being likewise liberated?

The Army's 24th Mechanized Infantry Division, commanded by General Barry McCaffrey, who would later go on to become Bill Clinton's ÔÇ£drug tsar,ÔÇØ violated a declared cease fire and moved his division forward of the cease fire line south of Basra...

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Without being flippant, War Is Hell.

The above clip was from the 1991 section, but as we've also seen in Tora Bora, and in Fallujah, the guerrillas use cease-fires to entrench and to escape. Someone on the news recently said "You can tell when the insurgents are losing because they call for a cease-fire. You can tell when the politicians are running things because they accept them."

Fast-forward to 2003, and what the article glosses over is how the insurgents assassinated all the most likely leaders who would have emerged to form the new government. We're dealing with the "second-string," and even they are slowly being picked off by their "fellow countrymen."

[Wolferz]

Steve said:

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Fast-forward to 2003, and what the article glosses over is how the insurgents assassinated all the most likely leaders who would have emerged to form the new government. We're dealing with the "second-string," and even they are slowly being picked off by their "fellow countrymen

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Absolutely correct Steve. That is the main sticking point in The US plans for a sovereign government in Iraq, that will be friendly to our interests in the region.

Interests like...

Oil and Permanent military bases.

The oil is a gimme.

The shadow puppets in DC are not going to give anyone the real reason for permanent military bases in Iraq.

They are going to claim that it's necessary for the war on terror,when in reality,it will provide a shorter, more economical route for moving Opium out of our old buddy Turkey.

It's the only logical reasoning.

Jump in the wayback machine and take a closer look at all the wars the US has prosecuted from 1812 forward.

If one observes these events and the players behind them from the point of view of a bunch of rich and powerful drug smugglers, you will come to the same conclusion I have; It's business as usual.

Iraq has been a volatile tribal society for thousands of years. They are not interested in democracy. The only freedom they cherish is the freedom to run around kicking one another's ass.

Our troops will be in Iraq for a very very long time, Just to stomp out every flaming duck that pops up.

GOOOOOOD Morning Viet NAAAAAM 2!!!!!

The really sad part is the deaths of our troops who volunteered to fight and die for a bunch of lieing pirate-drug pushers.

[Steve Schacher]

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Jump in the wayback machine and take a closer look at all the wars the US has prosecuted from 1812 forward.

If one observes these events and the players behind them from the point of view of a bunch of rich and powerful drug smugglers, you will come to the same conclusion I have; It's business as usual.

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My problem with this statement is that the United States wasn't a power until WWII, and then only after that.

I don't know how you'd go back to 1812 as proof of a secret "Illuminati" power base controlling things.