Charles Lindsey

quote:So... you were on the way to a renaissance festival and couldn't resist stopping to take a picture of a farm tractor? Actually only noticed it on the way in. I took the time to stop on the way back. And it was not just to take a pic of a tractor. It was to take a pic of a tractor on the FRONT LINE of a used car lot. hehe. Nothing epitomizes redneck more. But I'm the only one alowed to say that 'cause I live down here.

Wanna know the truly terrible part? I took that pic myself. We were on our way to a renaissance festival being held in Florence.

Check out this cream puff just in yesterday. It's featured in the center spot on our front line. It's emerald green with a yellow pin stripe. Stop by and inquire about financing.

Just gotta love a good conspiracy theory.

No, I don't think so. When I took it I only got the ten questions. I took it again being a bit more daring but truthful and I got an eleventh question. Then it told me Xander Cage.

Yoda.

Ooh, new stuff. Cool. I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't part of a broader plan all along. I'm against war in general because like people die and junk. But if we do it we need to do it right. If right don't work and we buck the UN we need an almost airtight case. Which I don't think we have yet. All this is really moot anyway since congress passed that resolution. Now we waiting on the UN. There is room for discussion on both sides. And all that other stuff we do.

quote:The anti-intellectualism and anti-common sense arguments were implict in the article, if I remember it correctly.Was trying to give you a compliment dude. He talked about a defeated intellectualist but then went off on a tangent and never explained what a defeated intellectualist was. He did that several times on different points. Talk about a high school drop out writing an article. Truth be told it sounds like one of my bug reports. Like when I say "go tow something". I know how I tow stuff so I mistakenly assume every one else does. Gives Derek fits. This dude was the same way. He knew what he was talking about but didn't bother to explain it to anyone else. quote:Life may not be fair, but the law is designed to be fair, and if we want to elect an entire family to various offices in the US, so be it. It's our grave or blessing.It'll help dig our grave. Read my response to Dragon Lady. I summed it up there. Why should we be "fair" to my six ficticious people when the potential for harm is so great? The potential for harm would be a loophole in the law's designed fairness. quote:I'd love for actual analysis on why.But I did. Maybe not in three paragraph arguments but I did. Watch. quote:That still doesn't make the FACT that I stated untrue that he's oppressing his people, violating their rights, and has no problem killing them.Cuba, China, Others. quote: It also doesn't answer that by invading we'd stop him.Cuba, China, Others. quote: Just because there are lots of murderers doesn't mean that we shouldn't imprison or kill the ones we catch.Cuba, China, Others. Are they not "caught" (proven) as well? quote: Just because the point can be applied to other countries doesn't make the point untrue or answer it as a reason to act.I believe it does. It's called a double standard. So we pick and choose our worst enemy? How convenient for Bush. Shall we trot out Clinton's parallel speech calling for action against Iraq and it was the dem's calling for war and the rep's were saying wait? For all that you failed to answer my question. Why Iraq? Why now? quote:It's our problem if the UN won't do what needs to be done to protect the interests of it's member nations.That's almost a good point until one realizes we are not the entire United Nations. Do our interests override the interests of other nations? Russia has something like 8 billion dollars in loans to Iraq that it dowsn't want to go into default because of a US invasion and a regime change. China's economy has grown enough that it is now an oil importer instead of an oil exporter (BBC news). France; I have no idea what France's reason's for opposition is but I think they have interests over there as well. So then, we have countries who are members of the UN, who have legitimate interests in the region, who are members of the UN, and we are going to defy the Union of which we are part because our interests are more important than theirs? You just got done saying the purpose of the United Nations was to protect the interests of its member nations. quote:So it's in violation of various international treaties. So it's in violation of the cease-fire/peace agreement after the gulf-war. So it places the US and our allies at threat. And so it could cause us harm if we don't rememdy it.Ok I can agree. But why now? Why war? Why an attack? quote:Combine it with all of the other points, it's just a multiplier of the threat of attack, danger, etc.10% greater? 50% greater? 1x? 4x? quote: Also, it's not lame, it's true,Being true doesn't make it any less lame. Then it becomes an excuse. quote:and it's a good piece of partial justification for defense.Like that is supposed to tip the scales. quote:Castro ...isn't Saddam.True. quote:Is more rational than Saddam. quote: Ya think?

quote:Originally posted by Litvyak: quote:That comment about in order for some to get richer, others have to get poorer is the biggest load of crap that I have ever heard. If everybody was to get rich, nobody would be rich... you can't be rich unless others are poor. The poorer everybody else is, the richer you become. Being rich isn't about how much money you have, but how much money you have in relation to how much everybody else has. I agree.

Been wondering where you got off to Dredd. quote:Saying an argument is "bogus" provides no warrants, analysis, or argumentation, and finding any other country except Iraq that ALL of my points is probably impossible. So, again, if your going to answer em, answer em well:But I did. I called your points bogus then explained each and every one. Now it's your turn. Not to mention $iLk found a very good article that matched our argument almost point for point. Why are we thinking about negotiating with a member of the axis of evil and not making plans to take them out as well? Hmmmm? Maybe because they have no oil. What is the worst case scenario if Saddam takes over the region? He can control the oil. This war is not about oil.

Dragon Lady, may I play in your parenthesis too? quote:(after all, for someone to get richer, other people have to get poorer). Said just that way I can agree with that statement. In the capitalism thread(s) you always seemed to say "off the backs" of others which to me implies cheating, stealing, and exploitation. The way you just said it is a truism I beleive. quote:Crushed by taxes for corporate welfare eh? This has turned into quite an issue in my state. To attract business and jobs and all the taxes that go with it corporations are often given tax breaks. I.E, corporate welfare. Now one politician is running on the platform of making corps pay their fair share of taxes. Sounds good don't it? Sure it does. Until you stop to think. What is this corporation going to do with all the lost revenue the newly applied taxes cause? They are going to raise prices. Joe average is screwed however you look at it. I don't want to seem like I'm picking on you Dragon Lady but you often have the most quotable quotes. I know the thread has turned and no one seems to mind but just as an attempt to stay on topic I will add that the US will try to use Diplomacy with North Korea concerning its nuclear arms program. And Jaguar; I liked the crime and punishment section of that article. Fits George W Bush to a Tee. I disagree with the Christianty section though.

Got that same postcard. Bellsouth DSL is $50 a month here. $45 if you subscribe to their "complete choice" plan. Add that to your phone service and you're looking at $100 a month if you have complete choice. Basic service and DSL should be about $75. AOL broadband is $55 according to your figures. Add your basic or complete choice phone service and you are still paying $75-$100 a month. My parents have Charter cable modem and complete cable service for $100 a month. Add your phone service and that's $120 - $150 a month. But don't forget to figure your cable bill into the above two figures now. Now Charter cable is advertising Cable modem and HBO for $69.95. Keeping phone service you are still in the $100 range. It just depends on what you want to do. I'm an AOL user myself. I've outgrown the chatrooms and the like. But they still have good content if you care to take advantage of it. On the other hand I'm a tad upset that I pay for this service and they see fit to put ads every where. As for AOL ripping you off I believe that myself. Not only am I paying to be advertised to the service is not as fast as it should be. They tell you (if you watch the sign on screen intently) that you're signed on at 45333 (whatever) but it just don't seem like it. Just for fun and when AOL decides to go south I also have a free juno account. Once you get past the mandatory email download the surfing seems faster that AOL. At the same advertised bit rate. Hmmmmmmm. I have several choices. The cable combo so I can have internet and get rid of the rabbit ears on my tv but possibly put up with congestion on the cable network. The DSL phone service combo but keep the rabbit ears and only see local station. Or I can get cable, ditch my land phone line, and just use my cell phone. Whatever I do it's about time to say good bye to AOL.

quote:shen kuBless you.

quote:plus under his watch, corporate America has raped and pillaged better then any Viking I ever heard of leaving us with a broken and thoroughly ravaged economy..Go read Race's thread A Domestic Disturbance. I posted my opinion there. Plus this just in. North Korea , one of the axis of evil, now admits to having a nuclear arms program. Now what?

quote:Canada doesn't need to become a state... we'll just make it a territory. We can rename it to the Occupied Northern Landfill. All those miles of wilderness make a perfect site to get rid of the waste products from our standard of living. True, but I was hoping to save Mexico for that. I'm kind of a greenie so I'd hate to poison all those forests and aminals. But Mexico is nothing but sand and some reptiles. I could live with that.

Do we really want a 51st state? I mean where would you put the star?

quote:Sorry, I thought some would think that was funnyI see the humor now. Sorry. quote:So I guess no one wants to hear the about the great worker ant uprising?Now that's funny. Hehe.

Lotharr, dude, even I can see the humour in that. That's why I posted it. It's a parody, Democrat's ideals carried to the extreme. It's funny. {edit in} By "you" I meant the collective posters on this thread. Anyone is free to go to that link. [ 10-15-2002, 11:50 PM: Message edited by: Charles Lindsey ]

Litvyak, you're just bent.

Ewwwwwwwwww. Just avoid him. One in every crowd. But I forgot to post one thing. It's an posting I saw on the yahoo! message boards. Seems like the guy wrote it himself but he coulda stole it so I will host it myself. But's it's very funny and I think you will enjoy it. Modernized ant and the grasshopper parable

Now just need Lotharr and Cruis.in. I'm missing those regulars.

Race posted a very good article written by himself that basically asked this question. "Why isn't Bush doing anything at home?" He cited the corporate scandals, the falling stock market, and a couple other things. If Race could remember a couple of those things maybe we could salvage what could be a good thread. Corporate scandals; I know the answer to this one. It started with deregulation in the Reagan era, was helped along by a Republican controlled congress during Clinton's tenure, and came to a head just recently. The falling stock market: I know this one too. Too much deregulation helped Enron sell and resell (and resell again) it's own pipeline capacity causing the energy crisis in California. It also used bogus buying and selling of it's own subsidiaries (helped along by the banks) allowing it to inflate it's seeming profit far beyond what is reasonable. It finally went far beyond what they could cover up and they had to confess. Time that with with K-Mart seemingly natural bankruptcy ( I do happen to belive K-mart went bankrupt from mismanagement and not illegal deals) and everybody else decided it was time to jump on the confession bandwagon. Bingo. Domino effect. The market tanked. It is all loosely tied together but not Bush's fault. I do blame Bush for single handedly destroying the first surplus we had in years. He coulda kept his stupid $300. It didn't do me a whole lotta good. Might have paid one month's utilities. Big whoop. What he should have done is cut it in half and amortized it over the year so that my paycheck looked much bigger. Woulda fooled alot more people. I think Bush is paying far too much attention on Saddam and not on issues at home. His father did the same thing. As soon as Bush Sr was lame duck he abandoned home issues entirely and went on a diplomacy spree that really didn't result in any great accomplishments. That made me mad. Don't know how to fix that though. I do give Bush Jr credit for invoking Taft-Hartley (?) to get those western coast docks operating again. Regardless of the military importance of those docks we needed them to keep the economy going.

quote:oopsThat's gotta hurt. Is it too much to ask they all use the same units? I have experience with this. If I'm working on a car and it's either all standard or all metric I can deal with it. But when they start mixing units of measure it is a PITA to deal with.

From the bottom up: Litvyak; that's gotta be disaapointing. I would register yet another complaint. $ilk; I can agree with that. People think teaching is such an honorable profession (it should be) but every once in a while you run across (or hear about) a survey where one of the big reasons for choosing teaching was summers off. Race; Something fishy going on. $ilk again; I liked that article. Almost point for point Dredd's argument and point for point my response. Scary. Jaguar's post; $ilk mentioned the union before I did. That was part of the thought in my response. You're gonna have a hard time displacing all those civil service workers. So far as public schools being around for only a century I think that was the point. Educate everyone, not just the rich and the rest are illiterate. Unfortunately that means government must get involved to set standards and such. I am glad you are willing to help some people. That was my main reason for citing the current system. Those without the means use the voucher for basic, those with the will and able to pay for extra use the voucher for extra. Maybe some grants or corporate sponsorship for exceptionally bright children from families without much means. If you will allow, call it a hybrid system. quote:Again, Charles, PRIVATISE education, that's what will create educated children, because the system we have in place now, DOES NOT WORK.What? Everyone is an idiot now? Come now. I'm very impressed with Dredd and others on this board. It may not be the best and it may be faltering but it does work. Tell you what. THat $5000 voucher you mentioned? Since I have no kids and am not burdening the system yet still pay the taxes for schools, and I do not get the tax deduction for the things, give me my $5000 back in cash (check will be fine) and I'll listen. Better yet, if it means they'll get off my front porch selling candy, greeting cards, calendars, or what not and I'll listen very closely. But I still have visions "SCHOOLCORP" and all the advertising that would go along with it. Dragon Lady; quote:wise-and-noble democrats No dear, far from it. Democrats are traditionally tax and spend. That's not nice either. quote:The States do.(set standards)In this instance I would almost prefer national (federal standards) for exit exams and such. quote:Good, then we can expect welfare to be permanently discontinued. Did you see any of it back till this year? I don't remember any tax reduction. It was funnelled elsewhere. Work for Welfare has been in place a while now. I agree with that program. I don't mind helping the truly destitute but those that can, need to work for a living. Some people may never be able to do anything more than be a cashier so a little extra help for them I don't mind much either. But I didn't get any back. quote:I refuse to believe that.Perhaps I should have qualified my statement better with something like "in a long time"? quote:Ok, so your objection to nepotism is that it isnÔÇÖt fair (thatÔÇÖs the only objection I have ever herd anyway), yet you dismiss the flaws in your plan to get rid of nepotism by saying ÔÇ£Tough. Life ainÔÇÖt fairÔÇØ. I donÔÇÖt suppose it would be too much to ask for Lothar to yell at you about hypocrisy? I donÔÇÖt have any ground to stand on in that area.No dear, you have it utterly backwards. Dredd pulled the fair card first, not I. Now, extrapolate from my "tough" statement and add everything I have said before and you may see my point. Why should we be "fair" to my six ficticious people when the potential for harm is so great for millions? I wonder what extra help or benefits FL is getting 'cause Bro is in the white house. Now, what is the flaw in my plan? Seems simple enough to me. Disallow nepotism at the national electoral level by not allowing relatives comparable federal positions. It is already against the rules for most corporations. It is already against the law concerning presidential (and lower) appointments I beleive. Why should it be allowed at the highest levels of governance? That dear, is called a double standard and is the height of hypocrisy. But I've already admitted it's my own personal gripe and I highly doubt my ranting on this board is going to start a national movement so you shouldn't worry overmuch about it.

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